Apr 23, 1994
Round 1,  Game 4
New Jersey - Buffalo3-5

Summary Of Events
1  3:44  Cheap Shot  Carpenter-Muni
2  4:38  Hit  Stevens-Khmylev
3  9:30  Scrum    
4  15:28  Rough  Peluso-Ray
5  15:28  Rough  Peluso-Barnaby
6  16:20  Scrum    
7  17:30  Rough  MacLean-Hawerchuk
8  18:04  Cheap Shot  Millen-Bodger
9  21:07  Rough  Lemieux-Hasek
10  24:00  Hit  Holik-Dawe
11  24:35  Hit  McKay-unknown
12  24:37  Scrum    
13  26:40  Cheap Shot  Smith-Khmylev
14  27:06  Rough  Guerin-Smehlik
15  28:55  Fight  Peluso-Ray
16  51:35  Brawl   7 players 
17  51:35  Fight  Peluso-Ray
18  51:35  Fight  Peluso-Ray
19  51:35  Fight  Daneyko-Barnaby

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 Bobby Carpenter  (Aggressor) 6'0'' 2200lb  N/A
 Craig Muni  (Victim) 6'2'' 2200lb  
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Carpenter crushed Muni with an elbow in the face in neutral zone. Dirty 
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Hit at 4:38
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 Scott Stevens  (Aggressor) 6'2'' 1216lb 26N/A
 Yuri Khmylev  (Victim) 6'1'' 1190lb 26
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Aug 11 06:33 ET
Stevens drops Khmylev with a good hipcheck. Dirty 
0
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Scrum at 9:30
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Duration N/A  Corey Millen  Stephane Richer  Valeri Zelepukin     Dave Hannan  Randy Moller  Richard Smehlik   
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Aug 11 06:40 ET
Good little scrum in Sabres zone after the whistle. Fun 
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Aug 11 06:40 ET
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Rough at 15:28
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 Mike Peluso 6'4'' 4225lb 3None
 Rob Ray 6'0'' 4222lb 3
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Feb 14, 2008 16:00 ET
Ray and Peluso line up against each other before a faceoff and it looks like something is about to happen. The puck drops and Peluso and Ray are in each other's faces and Ray slashes Peluso. They get face to face and Peluso gives Ray a few shoves. Ray shakes his right glove loose ready to drop it and waiting for Peluso to drop his gloves as well so he doesn't pick up an instigator. Peluso though just pushes Ray a few more times and gives him a crosscheck and Ray throws a gloved punch at Peluso. Peluso gives Ray one last punch before the linesmen get between them. They both got roughing penalties but it didn't matter because they would go later in the game. Fun 
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 SarcasticPillow
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Feb 24, 2014 20:46 ET
Mike Peluso and Rob Ray, the resident heavyweights from each team, are out for a faceoff and line up well away from the centres. Peluso hooks at Ray's foot and Ray retaliates with a big hack at Peluso's stick. Peluso moves closer to Ray and Ray gets his stick between Peluso's legs so Peluso counters with a couple light crosschecks. Ray dangles a glove at Peluso and then lands a gloved right as Peluso continues with the light crosschecks. Ray steps back from Peluso and a linesman charges in to grab Ray and escort him away. Fun 
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Aug 13, 2009 17:58 ET
The rough
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Jun 16 15:36 ET
Peluso 2+2

Ray 2
Barnaby 2
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 Mike Peluso 6'4'' 3225lb 34None
 Matthew Barnaby 6'1'' 3191lb 34
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Feb 14, 2008 16:02 ET
After Ray and Peluso mixed it up and are being sent off Barnaby comes over and starts yapping at Peluso. Peluso turns around and pushes Barnaby and Barnaby falls on his back like he was shot. The ref didn't buy it though and Barnaby was given an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Fun 
3
 SarcasticPillow
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Feb 24, 2014 20:46 ET
Rob Ray is taken away from Mike Peluso after they got into it off a draw. Ray's teammate, Matthew Barnaby skates over to Peluso and chirps at him. Peluso reaches out to grab Barnaby who goes down to the ice, embellishing the contact. Peluso doesn't like it and gestures to a linesman while being taken into the penalty box. Not much but some embellishment from Barnaby. Fun 
1
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Aug 13, 2009 17:58 ET
The dive
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Scrum at 16:20
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Duration N/A  Ken Daneyko  John MacLean  Scott Stevens     Jason Dawe  Dave Hannan   
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Aug 11 06:49 ET
Another little scrum near the Devils goal. Fun 
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Aug 11 06:49 ET
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Rough at 17:30
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 John MacLean 6'0'' 1200lb 15N/A
 Dale Hawerchuk 5'11'' 1185lb 15
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Aug 11 06:53 ET
Hawerchuck shoved MacLean near the boards and knocked him down. Fun 
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Aug 11 06:54 ET
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 Corey Millen  (Aggressor) 5'7'' 7170lb 45N/A
 Doug Bodger  (Victim) 6'2'' 7215lb 45
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Aug 11 06:56 ET
Millen sent Bodger into the board with a hard hit from behind. Dirty 
7
 Emotion 
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Rough at 21:07
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 Claude Lemieux 6'1''  215lb 33None
 Dominik Hasek 6'1''  182lb 33
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May 27, 2010 06:47 ET
Claude Lemieux scores a goal on Dominik Hasek. The Devils celebrate the goal. After the celebration by the Devils, Lemieux, as he slowly skates by Hasek, says something to the goalie. Whatever it was he said, it was enough to infuriate Hasek, who slashes at Claude with his stick.

Hasek taps Lemieux in the midsection. Claude, naturally, dives as if he were shot by a lupara. He does a belly-flop and then sprawls there on the ice. Hasek skates after Lemieux and jumps down to the ice, then swats Claude in the buttocks with his blocker. After that, the other players and officials intervene.
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 SarcasticPillow
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Feb 24, 2014 20:47 ET
Claude Lemieux scores and after celebrating with his teammates, skates in front of Dominik Hasek. Hasek slashes Lemieux in the chest with the blade of the stick and Lemieux goes down. Lemieux looks up and sees Hasek coming in. Hasek pounces on top of Lemieux who covers up and Hasek throws a couple blocker punches at Lemieux. Bobby Carpenter jumps on top of Hasek, drawing Ken Sutton in. Sutton grabs Carpenter and lands a gloved right. The linesmen come in to break it up and Lemieux gets to his feet, getting away from Hasek. The linesmen quickly break up Carpenter, Sutton, and Hasek while the rest of the players on the ice just gather around and watch. Fun 
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Shanahan14
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Jan 22, 2008 08:10 ET
It's more funny that rude. Just after Lemieux scored, and celebrated he said something to Hasek, who slashed Lemieux with his stick, went after him, and started to pummel his ass. :) Then the others came in. Very funny! Fun 
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Apr 6, 2009 14:23 ET
The rough.

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Jun 16 15:36 ET
Hasek 2
Carpenter 2
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 Bobby Holik  (Aggressor) 6'4'' 6231lb 42N/A
 Jason Dawe  (Victim) 5'10'' 6189lb 42
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Aug 11 14:40 ET
Holik drops Dawe behind the Devils net with a good bodycheck. Dirty 
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Hit at 24:35
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 Randy McKay  (Victim) 6'2''210lbN/A
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Aug 11 14:44 ET
McKay was rocked by someone of Sabres with a nice shoulder hit along the boards. Dirty 
0
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Scrum at 24:37
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Duration N/A  Bobby Holik  John MacLean  Randy McKay  Mike Peluso  Scott Stevens     Dave Hannan  Wayne Presley  Richard Smehlik   
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Aug 11 14:50 ET
This long scrum included a lot of pushing and shoving. Fun 
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Aug 11 14:50 ET
BUF - Presley (Misconduct (10 min)) 4:37 ; NJ - Maclean (Misconduct (10 min)) 4:37 ;Reply


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 Jason Smith  (Victim) 6'3'' 2215lb 25N/A
 Yuri Khmylev  (Aggressor) 6'1'' 2190lb 25
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Aug 11 14:53 ET
Khmylev pretty dangerously boarded Smith. Dirty 
6
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Rough at 27:06
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Fight at 28:55
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 Mike Peluso 6'4'' 4225lb 3640None
 Rob Ray 6'0'' 4222lb 31040
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Aug 12, 2009 22:45 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Both teams throw the bombers out on the ice. Buffalo has Rob Ray and Matt Barnaby while New Jersey sends out Mike Peluso and Randy McKay. Ray lines up next to Peluso, while Barnaby lines up with McKay. As soon as the puck hits the ice, Ray and Peluso go at it.

Both men start throwing punches, Ray rights and Peluso lefts. They trade punches for a few seconds landing an equal amount. Peluso's atrocious balance comes into play now. He slips and falls down bringing Ray with him and ending the fight.

An even exchange of punches between the heavyweights makes this a fair draw.
 SarcasticPillow
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Apr 17, 2011 11:42 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Mike Peluso and Matthew Barnaby go to line up for a faceoff, glaring at each other and doing a bit of talking. Rob Ray then says something to Barnaby and lines up next to Peluso. Right as they puck drops Ray and Peluso shed the mitts and a fight gets going. They exchange punches, Peluso throwing lefts and Ray rights. Ray lands with three of seven while Peluso lands on four of five before losing his balance. Ray misses one last right on the off balance Peluso who hits the ice. Neither are done there though; Peluso throws left up at Ray that misses and Ray throws two rights, landing one before the referees get in to stop the fight. Peluso misses two lefts with the linesmen there holding Ray and then they're pulled apart. Very short fight but a spirited one between two heavyweights. They just threw them throughout the fight and it ended when Peluso lost his balance. Both landed pretty much equally so the fight's a draw.
 BattleshipRules
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Apr 22, 2014 11:32 ET
Draw Fun 
6
There was some pretty good action while it lasted. Matthew Barnaby and Mike Peluso were yapping at each other at the start. The announcer knew that fireworks were on the way. Ray lined up with Peluso and the two dropped the mitts and started swinging after the puck was dropped.

Mike landed two solid lefts. Rob landed a solid right, missed two punches, landed a solid blow, and landed an average connect. Peluso landed two solid left hands. Ray landed two more solid blows before the men wrestled to the ice.

I rate this as a draw. Both men landed with some pop. It was pretty even in terms of the impact of the blows. Ray may have landed one additional punch, but it was too close to call for me. Peluso landed some dandies of his own.
 chrisY2J
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Sep 30, 2016 16:49 ET
Draw Fun 
6
It's a physical, hard-hitting playoff series between the Devils and Sabres. Two of the resident heavyweights for each team, Jersey's Mike Peluso and Buffalo's Rob Ray, are lined up for a faceoff and having an intense discussion. Ray's adrenaline was obviously flowing; he was fairly jumping out of his skates as the faceoff was getting set up. The Aud crowd was buzzing with anticipation.

The puck dropped and so did the gloves of Peluso and Ray. Peluso goes lefty as Ray goes righty. They went toe-to-toe for a few seconds, some punches missing, but each guy getting in a half-dozen or so good shots. Peluso lost his balance and toppled over. While on the ice, they continued to slug at each other until the linesmen jumped in.

Ray certainly looked better than Peluso (what with Mike falling down), but truly, this was an even exchange of punches. It was a draw.

Don't you miss old time hockey like this, where the heavyweights actually would fight it out during a playoff series? It is too much of a rarity nowadays.
Billiam
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Apr 23, 2005 19:04 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Pretty good fight until Peluso loses his balance... Peluso gets in a punch while on his back... Ray may have gotten one or two in also but it's hard to tell...
WanderingEye
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Feb 15, 2006 15:19 ET
Draw Fun 
6
Good toe to toe fight off of a draw, it was pretty even. Peluso fell down and they continued to punch each other.
lilburtis9363
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Jan 22, 2007 18:46 ET
Rob Ray narrow win Fun 
6
they're getting ready to go off the draw, they start off toe to toe, peluso loses balance and ray lands two good shots as he's going down, looked almost like a tko
mullet
19550 fight reviews

Oct 20, 2009 09:39 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Quick fight right off the faceoff. Ray with rights, Peluso with lefts. They throw and land equally, Peluso "surprisingly" loses his balance and it's over. Draw.
ROBINCRUZO86
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Aug 29, 2011 08:10 ET
Rob Ray narrow win Fun 
6
Ray skillfully piled Peluso, and take advantage
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Aug 16, 2009 10:51 ET
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Brawl at 51:35
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Duration 2:33  Ken Daneyko  Bobby Holik  Randy McKay  Mike Peluso     Matthew Barnaby  Rob Ray  Todd Simon   
# Players Involved: 7
Blood: None
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Feb 24, 2014 20:47 ET
Rob Ray takes a shot that ends up deflecting off the boards and then off of Martin Brodeur and into the net. Ray, not knowing where the puck is, barges towards the net and knocks into Ken Daneyko. Both guys go down and Ray, seeing the puck in the net, gets up celebrating. Todd Simon and Matthew Barnaby come in while Daneyko gets up and grabs Ray from behind. Barnaby tries to get at Daneyko but then Daneyko lands a gloved left on Barnaby. Bobby Holik comes in and grabs Barnaby, holding him back as everyone on the ice gathers in the corner. Mike Peluso finds Ray in the crowd and they soon pair off and drop the gloves. Daneyko sees the fight going on and tries to get involved but is held back by a linesman. Barnaby also tries to get involved, breaking away from Holik partially and grabbing onto Peluso. Randy McKay then grabs Barnaby while the linesmen move in to help break things up. Todd Simon grabs McKay from behind while Ray gets out of his jersey, shoulder pads, and elbow pads. Ray wants to keep going with Peluso and tries to get away from a linesman while going around the crowd. Peluso is free and eventually Ray gets to Peluso and they resume fighting. Peluso soon goes down as he loses his balance without being able to really hold onto Ray. They linesmen dive in to break them apart, leaving Barnaby and Daneyko paired off. Daneyko takes Barnaby down and throws some punches before the linesmen come in, having taken Ray and Peluso off the ice. A long brawl with a couple different fights between Peluso and Ray as well as Daneyko and Barnaby getting at it later on. Pretty good brawl in this chippy game. Fun 
6
re
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Feb 9, 2007 07:22 ET
A big Brawl starts after a goal by Ray. Fun 
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Aug 20, 2007 00:25 ET
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Jun 16 15:38 ET
BUF - Ray ( (maj)) 51:35 ;
BUF - Barnaby ( (maj)) 51:35 ;
BUF - Ray (Misconduct (10 min)) 51:35 ;
BUF - Barnaby (Misconduct (10 min)) 51:35 ;

NJ - Daneyko 51:35 ;
NJ - Peluso ( (maj)) 51:35 ;
NJ - Daneyko ( (maj)) 51:35 ;
NJ - Peluso (Misconduct (10 min)) 51:35 ;
NJ - Daneyko (Misconduct (10 min)) 51:35 ;
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 Rob Ray 6'0'' 4222lb 3210
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Apr 17, 2011 11:43 ET
Mike Peluso decisive win Fun 
5
A Rob Ray shot bounces off the glass and deflects off Martin Brodeur into the net. AS the puck goes in, Ray runs into Ken Daneyko, knocking him down. Ray gets up and celebrates with his teammates but Daneyko gets up and grabs Ray from behind. Everyone on the ice is fast involved and Ray leaves the crowd and finds Mike Peluso who's paired off with Doug Bodger. Bodger skates away and then Peluso misses a gloved left at Ray and they drop the gloves. Peluso gets a hold with the right and Ray with the left and he ducks a Peluso left immediately. Peluso then glances a left off Ray who misses a wild right while still ducking as Peluso grazes Ray with a left again. Peluso follows with four more lefts, connecting with three to the back of Ray's head. Matthew Barnaby sees Peluso taking over the fight and grabs at him though Barnaby himself being held by Bobby Holik. Barnaby still stops Peluso from throwing but other players try to get in too, as well as a couple linesmen. With all the interference, Peluso is broken up from Ray who finally gets his head up and loses his jersey. Ray breaks away from the crowd, as does Peluso, and Ray wants to go again. Peluso was winning this one by a wide margin and eventually, Ray's teammate, Barnaby jumped in to help out. Win Peluso in a short but decent fight.
 chrisY2J
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Sep 30, 2016 16:51 ET
Mike Peluso clear win Fun 
7
Sabre ruffian Rob Ray takes a slap shot from the blue line. His shot misses the net by a mile. The puck hits the glass high, bounces straight downwards, hits Devils goalie Martin Brodeur in the back, then falls into the net. A total fluke, but still good to see a plugger like Ray notch a playoff goal.

As the puck was bouncing in the air, Ray charged the crease and ran into Jersey defenseman Ken Daneyko hard. This aggressive move by Ray gets the Devils upset, and then the fluke goal a second later REALLY makes 'em mad. A scrum immediately breaks out as the horn is blasting, signaling a Sabre goal scored by Ray.

Tough guys like Ray, Mike Peluso, Matthew Barnaby, and Daneyko are involved in the subsequent scrum. Ray and Peluso are standing near each other. Peluso shoves Ray. As Ray turns to face him, Peluso sheds the gloves. Ray also gets his gloves off, but Peluso is way ahead of him, already set to throw punches.

Peluso works over Ray with a bunch of solid left hands. Ray is in defensive mode, trying to duck away from the big punches but still getting tagged. One of Ray's teammates (Todd Simon, I believe) jumps in to help Ray, and then several players and officials get in between them. Everybody shoves at each other.

Ray and Peluso are separated as the scrum keeps going. Peluso wins this fight clearcut by getting in a lot of quality punches, but this was an unfair fight. Ray was jumped and never could fight back, and there was considerable interference from other players and the zebras. It was a crazy, chaotic situation, scarcely the conditions for a fair fight.

Ray is angry, and wants to go again, but everyone is in the way...
Billiam
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Apr 28, 2005 04:09 ET
Mike Peluso clear win Fun 
6
During a scrum... Peluso wails away at Ray... really feeds it to him... Ray's jersey and upper gear (of course) comes off and he wants a piece of Peluso.. Peluso is no longer interested and tries to get away but finally decides to take on the half naked Ray... nothing much happens.. .Ray throws a punch that misses and Peluso falls backwards... i get the impression Peluso fell on purpose... if that was his intention then i can't blame him because he didn't have much to grab on... I never considered Ray to be a good fighter... the whole chip 'n dale act doesn't impress me and is very unfair in a fight...
WanderingEye
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Feb 15, 2006 15:20 ET
Mike Peluso clear win Fun 
6
Ray scores a goal and crashes into Peluso in the process. The Sabres celebrate the goal, but Mike isn't happy about that extra shot and attacks Ray. Peluso totally hammers him with lefts, the rest of the Sabres try to jump in when they see that Ray is getting worked. Ray removes his jersey and wants another go, Peluso tries to avoid him but Ray eventually grabs him. Peluso throws a punch, then Ray misses one and Peluso falls.
lilburtis9363
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Jan 22, 2007 19:30 ET
Mike Peluso narrow win Fun 
7
haha this is pretty funny, sabres score and ray runs into daneyko and ray falls then daneyko falls and the sabres are celebrating the goal and daneyko grabs ray, barnaby grabs onto daneyko, peluso grabs a hold of another sabre and ray comes over and peluso starts landing some lefts while mckay has a hold of ray, a big scrum is going on, ray gets out of the jersey and chases peluso around, they come back together, peluso throws a right, and ray throws a right that knocks off peluso's helmet and they go down to the ice
re
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Feb 9, 2007 07:19 ET
Mike Peluso decisive win Fun 
6
Peluso drops his gloves and starts nailing Ray with rights and everyone jumps in.
mullet
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May 27, 2010 05:34 ET
Mike Peluso decisive win Fun 
5
Buffalo scores and a scrum ensues. Ray and Peluso start to go, Peluso starts hammering Ray with lefts and pulls Ray's jersey over his head. Peluso keeps hammering away and Ray can't get the jersey off so he's in trouble. Some Buffalo player then decides to step in, he grabs Peluso and everybody then get in. Eventually Ray broke free from the pile and squared off with Peluso for round 2 at center ice. But in this fight it was all Peluso as he hammered Ray with lefts and Ray's teammate had to jump in.
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CDD
Jul 25, 2009 00:14 ET
Was this really unfair? Peluso was beating the shit out of Ray and Simpson jumped in to save Ray.Reply
mullet
Aug 14, 2009 11:18 ET
It was not unfair, like you said Peluso was beating the shit out of Ray and then the other players jumped in, so a win for Peluso.Reply
mullet
May 27, 2010 05:39 ET
this unfair call should be canceled. Both Ray and Peluso dropped the gloves and the only interference by other players/refs came after Peluso had already pounded Ray with several lefts, it was not like Ray was being held and Peluso was beating him. Peluso's big win shouldn't be taken away because one of Ray's teammates jumped in to stop the beating.Reply
no.7
May 27, 2010 06:29 ET
After watching the clip I have to agree that the Unfair call was not safe. There was enough action before any interference took place.

What would you say if someone called it Unfair because "Rob Ray was jumped and could never fight back"?
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mullet
May 28, 2010 10:41 ET
I certainly wouldn't call it unfair myself. You can see at the 27 second mark Ray has a hold of Peluso's collar with his left and Ray drops his right glove basically same time when Peluso starts throwing. Maybe Peluso got a little jump on him, but for example there a lot of Wendel Clark fights where he got much bigger jump on his opponent and those are not unfair and I don't think they should either.Reply
chrisY2J
May 29, 2010 05:26 ET
This fight didn't start fairly, nor did it end fairly. It was a mess.Reply
mullet
May 29, 2010 16:02 ET
It wasn't 100% fair, but still it wasn't enough to call it unfair. If Probert-Semenko fight #1 is not unfair then this shouldn't be either, Semenko got bigger jump on Probert in that one and when Probert finally got set Gallant and linesmen jumped in and Semenko got in some more shots when Probert was being held. I don't see a problem in how this fight ended, Ray had jersey over his head and he was getting pummelled, linesmen jump in pretty much everytime when that happens in a fight, this time it was Ray's teammate that jumped in but I don't see how the ending was unfair.Reply
mullet
May 29, 2010 16:08 ET
Quote from message by no.7
For a fight to be called Unfair on this site, it has to be unfair beyond any doubt. One player jumping the other doesn't automatically make the fight Unfair. If we allowed to call Unfair just because somebody got jumped, there would be endless wrangling all over the site. One typical example is Wendel Clark's fights where he jumped his opponents.
Hey no.7, here's your quote from Semenko-Probert fight, that was quite similar to this fight. I agree with what you said there and I think for sure if the Semenko-Probert fight is not called unfair then this shouldn't either.
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chrisY2J
May 30, 2010 04:31 ET
Probert-Semenko ISN'T unfair? I sure don't agree with that, either.Reply
chrisY2J
May 30, 2010 04:34 ET
Quote from message by mullet
I certainly wouldn't call it unfair myself. You can see at the 27 second mark Ray has a hold of Peluso's collar with his left and Ray drops his right glove basically same time when Peluso starts throwing. Maybe Peluso got a little jump on him, but for example there a lot of Wendel Clark fights where he got much bigger jump on his opponent and those are not unfair and I don't think they should either.
Keep in mind the unfair call listed is"jumped and could never fight back". Jumping alone isn't enough to call a fight unfair (such as the Clark fights you're referring to), but if the jumpee has no chance to fight back, it's an unfair fight. This Ray-Peluso fight qualifies.
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mullet
May 30, 2010 09:29 ET
No it's not unfair and those two fights are very similar, so if that Semenko-Probert is not unfair then this shouldn't be either.Reply
mullet
May 30, 2010 09:36 ET
Another fight very similar to this:
http://www.dropyourg...t=268367#Fight268367

McArdle had a hold of Tootoo's jersey just like Ray had a hold of Peluso's. Tootoo started throwing punches, just like Peluso did and McArdle could never recover. That fight was also debated and the unfair call was canceled.
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no.7
May 30, 2010 14:13 ET
Quote from message by mullet
Hey no.7, here's your quote from Semenko-Probert fight, that was quite similar to this fight. I agree with what you said there and I think for sure if the Semenko-Probert fight is not called unfair then this shouldn't either.
That must have been said before the "was jumped and could never fight back" reason was added to the list. Chris argued for it and I had to agree with him. It also appears to be working well in practice.

Now that Chris called it Unfair for this very reason, what's your opinion on the following:

1. Was Ray really jumped?
2. Do you agree that he could never fight back?

Quote from message by no.7
For a fight to be called Unfair on this site, it has to be unfair beyond any doubt.
This principle has never been changed. It must be beyond doubt that Ray got jumped. It must also be beyond doubt that he could NEVER fight back.
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mullet
May 30, 2010 14:45 ET
Quote from message by no.7
1. Was Ray really jumped?
2. Do you agree that he could never fight back?

This principle has never been changed. It must be beyond doubt that Ray got jumped. It must also be beyond doubt that he could NEVER fight back.
1. No I don't think he was jumped. He was the one that grabbed Peluso first with his left and had his right hand free the entire time. Not like Peluso jumped him from behind or side when Ray didn't see him. Sure you could say Peluso got a little jump on him, but I don't think it was that bad. Like I said there are a lot more fights where one guy got much bigger jump on his opponent and those are not called unfair.

2. Not sure about that one. I think he definitely tried to fight back but because his jersey ended up over his head he couldn't do much and got pounded.
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mullet
May 31, 2010 01:26 ET
I watched that youtube video again, I had another feed on dvd and after watching it more I don't think Peluso did anything wrong, he definitely didn't jump Ray. Ray is the one that grabs Peluso first and starts pushing him, Peluso yet doesn't have a hold of Ray. Then about at 28 second mark Peluso drops his gloves and grabs Ray with his right hand, Ray at that point has a hold of Peluso as well with his left and has his right hand free and you can see Ray drops his right glove before Peluso hits him so I don't think he got jumped at all. Ray ducks the first Peluso's left and after second left by Peluso Ray actually throws a right hand of his own but that probably missed. Actually his fight with Jim Kyte had kind of similar start, Kyte got a little jump on Ray at the start and was feeding Ray early, but in that one Ray slipped away from his jersey and then tagged Kyte. Lot of times Ray took some punches early in a fight and then came back once he got his jersey off, but this time he couldn't slip away from his jersey like he usually did and lost the fight. I don't think it should be unfair at all. That Tootoo-McArdle fight should be an example, if that fight couldn't be called unfair for this very same reason, then this shouldn't be either, the rules should be same for every fight/fighter.Reply
chrisY2J
May 31, 2010 05:13 ET
Quote from message by mullet
1. No I don't think he was jumped. He was the one that grabbed Peluso first with his left and had his right hand free the entire time. Not like Peluso jumped him from behind or side when Ray didn't see him. Sure you could say Peluso got a little jump on him, but I don't think it was that bad. Like I said there are a lot more fights where one guy got much bigger jump on his opponent and those are not called unfair.

2. Not sure about that one. I think he definitely tried to fight back but because his jersey ended up over his head he couldn't do much and got pounded.
Yes, Ray grabbed Peluso first, but was his intention to fight? Ray grabbed Peluso's sweater, but was watching the unfolding scrum between the other Sabres and Devils. Peluso took advantage of Ray's foolish inattention and got the jump on him, dropping the mitts and swinging away. Ray got a glove off as Peluso's fist was sailing in, but that doesn't change the fact he was jumped.

The other fights you mention, can you cite a few examples? In those fights where one combatant got a far bigger jump than the one Peluso got here, was the victim ever able to fight back?
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no.7
May 31, 2010 13:53 ET
Quote from message by chrisY2J
Ray grabbed Peluso's sweater, but was watching the unfolding scrum between the other Sabres and Devils.
When the camera returns to Ray and Peluso at the 0:25 mark, Ray is looking straight at Peluso. I couldn't see him watching anything other than Peluso from then on. Ray appeared to be the aggressor just before Peluso dropped the gloves. I can't believe that he didn't see what was coming.

If Ray knew what was coming, I don't think that it should be called a jump.
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chrisY2J
Jun 1, 2010 10:04 ET
Very well.Reply
mullet
Jun 2, 2010 09:44 ET
Quote from message by chrisY2J
The other fights you mention, can you cite a few examples? In those fights where one combatant got a far bigger jump than the one Peluso got here, was the victim ever able to fight back?
At least these two Tootoo fights come to mind:

http://www.dropyourg...t=268367#Fight268367

http://www.dropyourg...t=114984#Fight114984
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Fight at 51:35
HeightWeightPunchesBlood
Duration 0:12ThrownLanded   Big   
 Mike Peluso 6'4'' 4225lb 3110None
 Rob Ray 6'0'' 4222lb 3110
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 SarcasticPillow
19534 fight reviews
136 fight logs

Apr 17, 2011 11:43 ET
Draw Fun 
3
Rob Ray and Mike Peluso break free from the crowd after other players and linesmen jumped in on their fight, ending it. Ray's out of his jersey and upper body equipment and wants to keep going badly. Ray skates around the group of players and goes back at Peluso, they come together with Ray burying his head into Peluso's chest as the bigger Peluso gets on top of Ray. Peluso tries to get a grip around Ray's pants with little else there to hold but it allows Ray to raise his head. Peluso throws a right which lands but then Ray lands a right as Peluso's helmet comes off. Peluso's balance goes and he lands on his back with Ray on top. The linesmen get back between them and break them up. Not as good as their first encounter during the brawl but still interesting to see them fight two different times in the melee. They just wrestled and each landed one punch before Peluso fell so I'd say it was a draw in a poor scrap.
 chrisY2J
1232 fight reviews

Sep 30, 2016 16:54 ET
Draw Fun 
3
A furious Rob Ray is trying to get back at his Devil counterpart Mike Peluso after taking a bit of a beating, but several officials and other players are in the way, separating them from each other. Ray is corralled by a linesman, but he sheds his sweater and pads completely and breaks free, skating around the pile to get at Peluso. Seconds after Round One was over, it's time for Round Two.

Peluso is aware that Ray is coming for him, and realizes he is at a bad disadvantage with Razor being shirtless. Peluso keeps backing up, avoiding Ray, but the Sabre tough guy eventually gets to him. They fight again.

Peluso throws a couple punches that miss, and Ray responds with a right hand that also misses. While trying to duck and with nothing to anchor himself to, Peluso quickly loses his balance and falls down, Ray on top of him. The officials hurriedly get in there. No real punches landed, so call this a draw.

This particular part of the Ray-Peluso battle wasn't much. But overall, this scrum was quite an entertaining dustup!
 mullet
19550 fight reviews

May 27, 2010 05:42 ET
Draw Fun 
3
Peluso had just pummelled Ray, now Ray gets breaks away from the pile half naked and squares off for round 2 with Peluso. This wasn't much, they both threw one punch, not sure if any landed and Peluso quickly falls down with Ray on top and linesmen get in. Crap draw.
re
9287 fight reviews

Feb 9, 2007 07:22 ET
Rob Ray narrow win Fun 
2
Ray slips out of his jersey and out of the brawl and goes looking for Peluso. The linesmen can't get a hold of the shirt less Ray. And Peluso comes out where Ray lands a right and they go down where the linesmen comes in.
HardHitter25
830 fight reviews
1 fight log

Jan 25, 2008 16:48 ET
Draw Fun 
5
After a goal, Ray runs into Daneyko, and it starts a scrum, Ray and Peluso come out of the scrum. Peluso is hammering Ray with lefts, but then the linsemen and other players get in between. Ray breaks away from the linesmen and throws one punch that sends Peluso down.


Fight at 51:35
HeightWeightPunchesBlood
Duration N/AThrownLanded   Big   
 Ken Daneyko 6'0'' 1216lb 25N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Matthew Barnaby 6'1'' 1191lb 25N/AN/AN/A
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 EC
4016 fight reviews
1 fight log

Jul 15 22:45 ET
Outcome: N/A Fun 
N/A
A big melee starts between Ken Daneyko and Rob Ray after Ray scores a goal. Everyone comes in and Mike Peluso gets into a scrap with Ray. The Sabres try to help out Ray and everyone pairs off. Matthew Barnaby ends up squaring up with Daneyko. The camera focuses on Ray who tries to get back to Peluso and he eventually does. Meanwhile Daneyko and Barnaby have a short scrap which the camera does not pick up on. When it does pan back to them after Ray and Peluso have gone to the ice, Daneyko has Barnaby on his knees and he hits him with a weak punch to the body. Barnaby is just hanging on and nothing further takes place.

It's impossible to make a call here since we don't see what happened.
WanderingEye
1759 fight reviews
4 fight logs

Feb 15, 2006 15:21 ET
Draw Fun 
N/A
I don't think you can really give Daneyko a win here when you hardly see anything. He hits Barnaby weakly on the body once while Barnaby is down on the ice. Most likely wasn't much of a scrap if it was over in the short "round two" Ray and Peluso had.
re
9287 fight reviews

Feb 9, 2007 07:20 ET
Outcome: N/A Fun 
N/A
The camra is a away from this the whole time you see Daneyko land some punches and the camera goes away.
Billiam
553 fight reviews

Feb 9, 2007 19:12 ET
Outcome: N/A Fun 
N/A
Camera focused on Peluso and Ray but when it turned to Daneyko- Barnaby fight it was clear that he had the edge... Daneyko was on top, hitting him with a few punches...

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