Apr 7, 1988
Round 1,  Game 2
Buffalo - Boston1-4 

Summary Of Events
1  N/A  Injury    
2  N/A  Crowd Trouble    
3  0:08  Scrum   10 players 
4  0:42  Fight  Halkidis-Shoebottom
5  1:12  Almost Fight  Ruff-Neely
6  14:57  Fight  Foligno-Kluzak
7  15:06  Scrum    
8  16:28  Fight  Arniel-Pedersen
9  31:39  Rough  Foligno-Neely
10  38:23  Fight  Maguire-Miller

Injury at N/A
Buffalo PlayersBoston Players
Duration N/A  Mark Napier     Michael Thelven   
# Players Involved: N/A
Blood: N/A
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Vindigidy
Jan 31, 2010 13:22 ET
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SarcasticPillow
Feb 15, 2010 16:20 ET
It doesn't look like an intentional cheapshot to me.Reply
no.7
Feb 16, 2010 07:05 ET
What do you think he was trying to do?Reply
SarcasticPillow
Feb 16, 2010 13:59 ET
The way Michael Thelven had his stick, probably trying to hook.Reply
no.7
Feb 17, 2010 03:48 ET
Changed to Injury.Reply


Crowd Trouble at N/A
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Duration N/A  Mike Foligno      
# Players Involved: N/A
Blood: N/A
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Vindigidy
Jan 31, 2010 13:22 ET
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Scrum at 0:08
Buffalo PlayersBoston Players
Duration N/A  Dave Andreychuk  Mike Foligno  Calle Johansson  Mike Ramsey  John Tucker     Ray Bourque  Randy Burridge  Keith Crowder  Gord Kluzak  Tom McCarthy   
# Players Involved: 10
Blood: N/A
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purepens87
Feb 15, 2008 20:43 ET
shoebottom- what a great hockey name, ehReply


Fight at 0:42
HeightWeightPunchesBlood
Duration 0:25ThrownLanded   Big   
 Bob Halkidis 6'1'' 1205lb 5741None
 Bruce Shoebottom 6'2'' 1200lb 5631
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13155 fight reviews

Feb 24, 2012 07:02 ET
Bob Halkidis narrow win Fun 
6
I remember watching this series with excitement as a teenager. The Bruins and Sabres were fierce Adams Division rivals. This playoff matchup looked to have some fireworks. The players on both sides didn't fail to rise to the occasion. There was some nasty physical play in this fight filled series. The coaches of both squads anticipated the need for muscle. Shoebottom and Halkidis were players of marginal ability, but they were important players in this series. They added depth in a series where fighting was going to be a critical component determining the outcome.

Right at the onset of the game, Michael Thelven got his stick up high and clipped Mark Napier with his stick. I don't think Thelven was trying to injure Napier, but he was irresponsible and should have kept his stick down. Buffalo was riled up at what they perceived as a cheap shot. Mike Foligno responded a few seconds later with a roughing penalty. He had been a pest all series with his chippy style of play. Some Bruins fans got out of control and one threw a beer at Foligno. Mike was understandably furious, but the security detail kept him from going into the stands after the perpetrator.

After the series of events that started the game, it was inevitable that there would be some fights in this one. There was bad blood among the players of both teams and Buffalo was facing a hostile crowd in the old Boston Garden. Trouble continued to brew as Allen Pedersen and Uwe Krupp started to joust during a stoppage of play. At this point Halkidis and Shoebottom were ready to go. They were both seasoned and experienced fighters, although neither was an elite enforcer. This was a good matchup. Both guys were not afraid to swap blows and they looked to put on a show.

"Shoe" engaged Halkidis with his fists a-blazing. He knew he was in this series to take care of some fistic business. He rushed forward like Braveheart leading the Scottish troops to battle. Bruce landed a good right at the start of the bout and seemed to surprise Halkidis with the speed of the blow. Bruce missed with his next right and landed what appeared to be two partial connects. "Shoe" was firing away with no concern being given to defense.

Halkidis had more power than "Shoe" and responded with some tit-for-tat right hands. Bob landed well with his first shot. His second punch was right on the button and was a thing of beauty. His momentum made him pitch forward at the same time Bruce was stopped in his tracks. This led to "Shoe" hitting the ice. Halkidis got on top of Bruce and continued to fire away with rights. He landed two more partial connects while "Shoe" was laying on the ice.

I rate this as a narrow win for Halkidis. He ate a couple of good shots at the onset of the bout, but he landed with more authority than Bruce. His punch that knocked "Shoe" down was a hard shot. Despite the hyperbole of the Buffalo announcer, Bruce wasn't in big trouble. He just got into a precarious position by means of momentum. Halkidis fell on top of him and this put a premature end to a good scrap.

My memories of "Shoe" were mostly based on his playoff bouts with Buffalo. He was a willing scapper, but limited even in terms of his fistic abilities. Bruce didn't spend much time at the NHL level because of his shortcomings. Halkidis spent more time in the NHL and was a better overall fighter than "Shoe."

The Bruins playoff series with Buffalo was memorable for its chippy physical play throughout the series. My brother isn't much of a hockey fan, but he recently asked me if I remembered the series with Buffalo where the penalty boxes were full and there were lots of fights. "Shoe" deserves credit for being a brave warrior. I appreciate guys like him who have average fighting ability but exceptional heart. It was a lot of fun for me to watch this bout and take a trip down memory lane.
 hb11
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Jul 30, 2007 09:13 ET
Bob Halkidis narrow win Fun 
8
Allen Pedersen and Uwe Krupp have words in the Boston corner and the linesmen quickly arrive on the scene. It appears as if Halkidis shoves Randy Burridge down from behind though the incident is partly out of camera range. Shoebottom drops his gloves and goes after Halkidis, landing an early right to the head and missing another. Halkidis misses an early blow but they both land rights as they spin into the middle of the milling crowd of players. Halkidis tags Shoebottom with a hard punch to the left side of his head. Shoebottom staggers forward and goes down when Halkidis punches him in the back. They go to the ice with Halkidis on top, throwing hard rights and knocking Shoebottom's bucket off. 2 of the 3 officials are occupied elsewhere but linesman Swede Knox tries to break it up on his own. Shoebottom gets out from underneath Halkidis and hammers him with at least 3 solid rights before Knox gets his right under control. Halkidis has also lost his helmet at this point and all 3 rise to their feet. Halkidis tosses some hard rights again, catching linesman Knox with the first 2 before Shoebottom takes a couple. Referee Dan Marouelli sees Knox has all he can handle and grabs Halkidis while Knox subdues Shoebottom. Linesman Jerry Pateman comes over to relieve Marouelli and the players are finally separated. Some angry words are exchanged by the 2 players before they leave the ice. Narrow win for Halkidis. This fight was really a 3 parter. Halkidis clearly won the first part which was the only part fought fairly. During parts 2 and 3, they took turns getting in some cheap shots on each other. The punch count should be Halkidis landing 10 of 14 and Shoebottom connecting on 7 of 9. This was an entertaining and nasty scrap. The fun factor's got to be higher than a 5 or a 6. These 2 wanted to hurt each other and anybody who got in their way. Unfortunately, we don't see many fights this intense these days.
 WanderingEye
1761 fight reviews
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Mar 20, 2005 14:11 ET
Draw Fun 
6
They exchange rights toe to toe in a big crowd of players. Shoebottom goes down and Halkidis throws a few rights at him. The linesmen tries to get in there, and Shoebottom throws some rights. They get back up, and Halkidis throws again as the linesman is having a rough time getting them apart, but finally does, and Halkidis is really mad.
 CrazyPsycho
1121 fight reviews

Sep 22, 2005 07:21 ET
Draw Fun 
6
Lots of wild punches thrown early, both guys are out of control and they hit the ice and continue wrestling. The linesman tries to break it up, and Shoebottom gets a handful of punches in while down. They manage to get up, and Halkidis returns the favor with the linesman still in between them.
lilburtis9363
1034 fight reviews

Mar 18, 2007 18:47 ET
Bob Halkidis narrow win Fun 
6
they throw some rights and halkidis knocks down shoebottom who throws a bunch of cheap punches when the linesman are in so halkidis gets up and throws some back
MarkV
396 fight reviews

Mar 19, 2007 13:13 ET
Bob Halkidis narrow win Fun 
6
I always like Halkidis intensity, he controlled the first and last parts of the fight, so if there had been 2 linesmen, Shoebottom wouldn't have been able to continue with punches while Halkidis was tied up.
Hurls34
426 fight reviews

Aug 1, 2007 00:11 ET
Bruce Shoebottom narrow win Fun 
5
To short of a scrum and the fact that it occured in the middle of a crowd really didn't seem to help matters. I felt Shoebottom got off the better shots which were some quick rights. And while Halkidis scored the take down, I think it was more momentum than anything else which brought Shoebottom down. The last punch Halkidis threw before Shoebottom hit the ice got the back of the helmet, if anything, and while it may have looked as impressive as a Paul Cyr takedown I don't think it did much damage or enough damage to give Halkids the edge.
mullet
19905 fight reviews

Aug 30, 2010 08:21 ET
Draw Fun 
5
They quickly fall down, only one linesman tries to separate them but the two keep throwing punches with the linesman between them. I cant really see a winner in this one, draw.
itsJ.Millertime
12161 fight reviews

Apr 3, 2017 09:15 ET
Bob Halkidis narrow win Fun 
5
Halkidis lands a couple rights before they fall and fight for a bit on the ice then get up and go some more with a linesman trying to break it up, both landed a couple early but it was Halkidis who stayed busier and landed more blows to get the win.
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lilburtis9363
Mar 18, 2007 18:47 ET
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EC
Apr 8, 2012 16:23 ET
Excellent review Battleship. I always enjoy watching the old tapes of these fights in the playoffs even though it was a little before my time. These 2 teams used to really go at it back then and you did a good job of describing the rivalry thoroughly.Reply
BattleshipRules
Apr 8, 2012 16:45 ET
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Excellent review Battleship. I always enjoy watching the old tapes of these fights in the playoffs even though it was a little before my time. These 2 teams used to really go at it back then and you did a good job of describing the rivalry thoroughly.
Thanks for the feedback. I've read many of your reviews and you always do a good job. I appreciate the compliment.
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EC
Apr 8, 2012 16:57 ET
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Thanks for the feedback. I've read many of your reviews and you always do a good job. I appreciate the compliment.
No problem you've earned it. For someone who has only been here for a short time, you have a number of quality reviews. I have seen many new users put out poor and inaccurate reviews so it is always nice to see someone new come in and do good. Also I can tell that you have a solid knowledge of the game and it shows up in your reviews which is something else this site needs more of. Keep it up!
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TheDanLine
Jul 30, 2017 23:49 ET
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Almost Fight at 1:12
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 Lindy Ruff 6'2''  190lb 28N/A
 Cam Neely 6'2''  218lb 28
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13155 fight reviews

Mar 27, 2013 14:52 ET
Cam delivered a shoulder-to-shoulder hit on Ruff. Lindy got the worst of the encounter. He turned a round and tried to plant a forearm in Cam's chest. Neely gave him a good shove. As Cam skated by, Lindy gave him a light push. The men were ready to go, but the refs got in to break them up right away and no punches were thrown. This was a physical battle that was won by Neely along the boards. Fun 
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Vindigidy
Jan 11, 2010 17:24 ET
the second clip in the video.
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Fight at 14:57
HeightWeightPunchesBlood
Duration 0:11ThrownLanded   Big   
 Mike Foligno 6'2'' 2195lb 15300N/A
 Gord Kluzak 6'4'' 2210lb 15330
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Jan 10, 2012 13:26 ET
Gord Kluzak narrow win Fun 
3
Mike Foligno and Gord Kluzak renew their rivalry they had going earlier in the season during this playoff game between the two teams. They had both taken runs at each other and then ultimately ended up fighting during a game between the two teams on January 20th. Here they pick up where they left off.

Foligno slips and falls and Kluzak ends up on top of him. Kluzak, who still has his gloves on, sits on top of Foligno. He takes advantage of this position to throw two gloved rights and a gloved left at Foligno. Foligno just tries to protect himself as the linesmen get in to break them up. However Foligno isn't eager to stop and he throws a left over the linesmen at Kluzak. Eventually the officials separate them.

Kluzak landed the only shots so I will give him the decision.
 BattleshipRules
13155 fight reviews

Sep 1, 2013 22:09 ET
Gord Kluzak narrow win Fun 
3
Kluzak didn't get into too many fights after suffering some terrible knee injuries. However, all hands were on deck in this violent playoff series with the Buffalo Sabres. The clip doesn't show what precipiated the fight. Gord was on top of Foligno. He landed an average left and an average right while sitting on top of Mike. The refs stepped in right away. Foligno was furious and missed a couple of blows and landed a partial connect while the refs had Kluzak under wraps.

I rate this as a narrow win for Kluzak. Gord landed a couple of gloved blows, but they appeared to be effective enough for Gord to earn the win. I think Foligno was intending on fighting back. He was a little unfortunate that the refs were so quick to step in and stop the bout.
Hurls34
426 fight reviews

Apr 29, 2005 08:37 ET
Gord Kluzak decisive win Fun 
3
Kluzak sits on top of Foligno and punches, elbows and basically tries to drive Folgino's head through the ice.
It's no wonder Foligno wore that golf ball helmet
CrazyPsycho
1121 fight reviews

Sep 22, 2005 07:25 ET
Gord Kluzak narrow win Fun 
3
Cuts to Kluzak on top of Foligno throwing punches. Kluzak gets a couple punches in before the linesman tries to separate them. Foligno manages to get up and get a shot or two in while they are being separated.
mullet
19905 fight reviews

Aug 30, 2010 08:26 ET
Gord Kluzak narrow win Fun 
2
Nothing fight, Kluzak gets on top and lands a couple with gloves still on. Linesmen get in and Foligno still wants to continue.
itsJ.Millertime
12161 fight reviews

Oct 9, 2015 01:22 ET
Gord Kluzak narrow win Fun 
3
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SarcasticPillow
Jan 24, 2009 11:00 ET
The tilt.

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Scrum at 15:06
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Duration N/A  John Tucker     Gord Kluzak  Ken Linseman   
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Fight at 16:28
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Duration N/AThrownLanded   Big   
 Scott Arniel 6'1'' 4190lb 20N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Allen Pedersen 6'5'' 4210lb 20N/AN/AN/A
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Nov 9 02:32 ET
Allen Pedersen narrow win Fun 
3
A scrum breaks out between the Buffalo Sabres and the Boston Bruins in this violent divisional playoff game (which has already featured several fights). Lindy Ruff and Glen Wesley have a disagreement but Ruff is steered away by the linesman. Oddly enough, even though the Sabres have two fighters out there in Ruff and Clark Gillies, it is Scott Arniel who ends up dropping the gloves instead. Arniel drops them with the much bigger defenseman Allen Pederson.

Pederson lands the first punch. Arniel ducks his head down and Pederson connects with two more rights. Arniel lands a left which glances off of Pederson's helmet before losing his balance. Arniel falls backwards and he drags the big Bruin down with him. Pederson lands on top of Arniel. The linesmen get in there to stop the action.

Pederson landed three punches to Arniel's one (which was only a glancing blow) so Pederson gets the decision.
Hurls34
426 fight reviews

Apr 29, 2005 08:37 ET
Allen Pedersen clear win Fun 
4
mullet
19905 fight reviews

Aug 30, 2010 08:32 ET
Allen Pedersen narrow win Fun 
3
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SarcasticPillow
Jun 24, 2009 20:37 ET
The fight.

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Rough at 31:39
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 Mike Foligno 6'2''  195lb 23N/A
 Cam Neely 6'2''  218lb 23


 Fight at 38:23
HeightWeightPunchesBlood
Duration 0:21ThrownLanded   Big   
 Kevin Maguire 6'2''  200lb 102391Fair Amount
 Jay Miller 6'2''  210lb 1030134
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 hb11
4578 fight reviews

Jul 30, 2007 09:44 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
Maguire clotheslines Miller in the neutral zone. Miller gets up and they drop the gloves, squaring off briefly. Miller goes with the left initially and Maguire tosses rights as they go toe-to-toe. They each land some hard shots early. After tossing 7 lefts, Miller switches to the the right. Maguire knocks Miller's helmet off but pauses for a brief rest while Miller throws 4 in a row. They resume the toe-to-toe rights again but Miller lands better as some of Maguire's punches fall short. Maguire loses his lid to a hard Miller right and ducks down. Miller connects with an uppercut and throws a couple more overhand. Maguire goes for the headlock but Miller slips it and Maguire falls to the ice with Miller standing over him. Clear win for Miller. There was little or no defense at all in this one. It was just 2 big punchers hammering away at each other. Maguire started strong but Miller got better as the fight went on.
 srehm1
357 fight reviews

Mar 5, 2008 18:45 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
A classic confrontation between Kevin Maguire and Jay Miller. This fight takes place during a playoff game so you can feel the intensity on the ice. Maguire actually starts this whole thing off by clotheslining Miller. Jay wants a piece of Maguire and goes right after him.

These guys come to grips at center ice and immediately go toe to toe. Miller is firing lefts and Maguire is throwing rights. These guys get into a face-punching duel with both fighters landing clear shots. They grab hold briefly and Miller switches to his right hand. They then let loose another barrage of toe to toe punches and Maguire knocks Miller's helmet off. Both fighters land clear shots with Miller getting in a few extra as Maguire readjusts. They then both go at it with fierce right hands. Both fighters belt each other right on the button several times during this last fistic burst. Maguire's helmet gets knocked off but continues on as they stand there smashing rights into each others face. Miller then gets the upper hand with a few extra rights and Maguire falls down.

Amazing fight. Both fighters fought like the game was going to be decided by the outcome. I can't believe these guys stood there and belted each other over and over again. Neither fighter wanted to back down and each one landed several shots. I have to give Miller a slight edge in this bout. He landed the better punches in a very action-packed fight in the playoffs. The crowd was going crazy and Miller was pumped. Ah, the good old days.
 SarcasticPillow
20766 fight reviews
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Mar 3, 2009 18:49 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
Kevin Maguire and Jay Miller shed the mitts after play ends. Officials crowd around them and threaten to intervene but Miller lunges into Maguire who lands a right. They grab onto each other's jersey and start going toe-to-toe, Miller with lefts and Maguire with rights. Maguire tosses seven and lands four while Miller tosses seven and lands five. They stop throwing and Miller then changes hands and throws two rights, connecting on one. Then they go to-to-toe again, both with rights. Miller chucks four and connects with three while Maguire chucks four and connects with all four, knocking off Miller's helmet. Maguire stops throwing and Miller throws five more rights and lands four. Then Maguire and Miller go toe-to-toe for a third time in the fight, both with rights. Maguire throws nine and connects on three while Miller throws nine and lands with six. Maguire stops throwing and then Miller throws three other rights and lands one. Maguire goes down and the officials come in, breaking up the two heavyweights. Great fight, lots of toe-to-toe action. Win Miller, he landed more and better than Maguire by enough to take home the victory.
 BattleshipRules
13155 fight reviews

Aug 25, 2013 23:08 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
Miller and Maguire had a great rivalry in the late 1980's. This was an excellent action bout. Kevin landed a pretty good right, a solid blow, and an average shot. Jay missed a right hand ans a couple of lefts. He landed a decent shot and a solid connect. He missed a punch and landed a solid blow.

Maguire missed a couple of punches and landed an average blow. Miller switched to throwing rights. He landed two average blows and a pretty good shot. He landed two average blows and three decent punches. Kevin missed a punch, landed an average blow, and landed two solid shots.

Miller landed two average punches, two pretty good blows, and a solid connect. Maguire landed an average connect, missed a punch, and landed a solid blow. He missed a couple of rights and a left. Jay landed a pretty good punch, three average blows, and three solid connects. The refs stopped the contest.

I rate this as a clear win for Miller. He landed more punches and with more damaging impact. Maguire landed some above-average blows and several moderately effective punches. Jay put a good measure of hurt on him and I think he did enough to get the clear edge.
 EC
4846 fight reviews
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Feb 12, 2018 17:09 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
This was the best fight in the Jay Miller-Kevin Maguire rivalry. The two men fought five times over a 100 day period from the final day in 1987 to this playoff game on April 9th. Maguire started the trouble in this instance as he clotheslines the unsuspecting Miller who skates by him at center ice. Miller gets up and wants a piece of Maguire who is more than willing to oblige. The officials try to get between the two rivals but to no avail. They get to each other and immediately start hammering the hell out of one another.

Maguire misses with a swing from his right hand as they lock up. Maguire lands three rights while Miller misses with a couple from his left. Miller finds the range as he scores with four left hands while Maguire gets three rights in. The two men have a furious exchange of rights as Maguire lands four blows, knocking Miller's helmet off in the process. Miller lands four rights and Maguire stops punching. Miller scores with two more rights, connects with an uppercut, and gets another right in.

The Sabre tough guy tries to fight back as he lands a right. These two warriors continue to batter each other as they let the punches fly. Maguire gets in four or five rights while Miller tags him with eight blows, blasting Maguire's helmet off. Maguire ducks down as Miller connects with three more rights and the two men finally fall to the ice.

An incredibly entertaining battle here as the two men just pounded on each other non stop. Today's fights just do not compare as these men showed no regard for defense and simply just tore into one another. It was one hell of a fight but Miller gets the clear win as he had a big advantage in the punch count, out landing his rival by a wide margin to rack up another win in their rivalry.
WanderingEye
1761 fight reviews
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Mar 20, 2005 14:11 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
8
Maguire mugs Miller, and Miller gets up, drops his gloves, and away we go. Great toe to toe exchange appears to be even. Miller then switches to the right and outlands Maguire by a wide margin as they go toe to toe again. Great fight!
Hurls34
426 fight reviews

Apr 29, 2005 08:38 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
One of the best fights of the year. Both go toe-to-toe but Miller just outlasts him.
CrazyPsycho
1121 fight reviews

May 26, 2006 13:59 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
Playoff insanity. Don't see this much anymore. Just bombs thrown by both guys and Miller gets the edge as the fight wears on. Brilliant fight.
mullet
19905 fight reviews

Oct 5, 2007 08:00 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
10
Awesome toe to toe fight. Miller lands better and takes over in the end.
itsJ.Millertime
12161 fight reviews

Feb 11, 2011 10:25 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
10
A Miller classic with both guys going toe to toe, Miller takes over late lands some hard shots and gets the clear win.
FrAn6
3592 fight reviews

Aug 21, 2011 16:55 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
sadcbjfan
5585 fight reviews

Sep 9, 2013 18:04 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
10
Psicosis
303 fight reviews

Jan 19, 2014 03:40 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
Miller had the more calculated and big punches.
TheDanLine
11137 fight reviews

Jul 24, 2017 13:09 ET
Jay Miller clear win Fun 
9
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May 28, 2007 02:08 ET
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SarcasticPillow
Jul 3, 2012 17:21 ET
The fight.

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Jul 24, 2017 13:10 ET
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