Dec 2, 1990
Detroit - Buffalo3-3 OT

Summary Of Events
1  23:50  Fight  Kocur-Ray
2  55:02  Rough  McKay-Krupp

Fight at 23:50
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Duration 0:30ThrownLanded   Big   
 Joey Kocur 6'0''  220lb 217137Fair Amount
 Rob Ray 6'0''  222lb 2421
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 chrisY2J
1235 fight reviews

May 15 23:23 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
According to the Detroit announcers, Sabre rookie ruffian Rob Ray had been bumping and harassing some of the Red Wings earlier in the game, so Detroit's fearsome heavyweight Joey Kocur challenges Ray here. Not long after a faceoff, Kocur and Ray bump. Joey lashes out with an elbow that hits Ray, who was standing behind Kocur, in the face. The two pugilists drop the gloves and go at it. Kocur then proceeds to really beat on the rookie Ray.

Ray flails away with a few rights and misses, then just hangs on and absorbs a series of heavy right hands from Kocur. Ray's helmet goes flying off his head from one of the shots. Ray tries to pull off Kocur's helmet as Joey switches to the left hand. Kocur then belts Ray with a few stiff southpaws. Kocur goes back to the right hand and gets in a couple more hard punches. Out of desperation, Ray tosses a couple fast rights and actually gets in a decent shot, opening a cut on Joey's cheek.

Fortunately for Rob, he has a hard head and strong chin, because some of those punches from Kocur might have really injured most other fighters. Ray lands a couple weak rights to the back of Joey's head. Kocur responds with a hard blow to the ribcage and stiff shot the side of the head. They lock up and stop throwing. Kocur and Ray move against the glass, where the officials break it up.

Ray and Kocur are escorted to the penalty boxes. Ray has a couple welts around his temple and forehead. He also has several small bloodstains adorning the front of his white jersey. At first, you might think the stains came from the cut on Joey's face... until you see Kocur sitting down in the penalty box. For an instant, you can see the horrible condition that his right hand is in.

Kocur was renowned for his battle-scarred right hand. This was perhaps the worst I have ever seen it look: every knuckle was either scabbed over or oozing blood. The knuckle above his pinkie finger had an enormous, bloody pit gouged into it, and the area around that hole in his hand was grotesquely swollen. Kocur was grimacing in pain as he tended to his battered right hand.

This was a clearcut win for Kocur, as he landed many solid punches throughout the scrap while Ray landed only a few shots. The blow that opened the cut on Kocur's face was a lucky punch more than anything.

When I talked to Ray in December 2007, he said that Joey Kocur was the toughest opponent he ever faced in his career. I am sure this fight had something to do with Razor's opinion!
 EC
4679 fight reviews
1 fight log

May 10, 2009 14:53 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
The fight starts off with Ray pulling himself in as tight as he can with Kocur to avoid his deadly right. Kocur however starts throwing rights to the back of Ray's head knocking off his helmet. Kocur switches to the left hand and tags Ray with 4 hard punches while Ray fumbles with Kocur's helmet. Kocur switches back to the right and hits Ray with a solid shot. Kocur punches Ray with 2 more hard rights as his own helmet falls off. Ray pulls in tight with Kocur and wrestles him into the boards. The linesmen seeing this move in.

A clear win to Joey Kocur as he hammered Ray with hard punches from both hands throughout the fight. Give Ray some credit. He took all of Kocur's punches and stayed on his feet. That was the only thing Ray accomplished here because Kocur really took it to him.
 BattleshipRules
13037 fight reviews

Oct 18, 2013 15:03 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
Ray was taking on a feared power puncher in Kocur. Rob missed a punch and landed a light right. Joey landed three solid right hands. Rob missed a punch and landed a solid shot. Joey missed a right as Ray grabbed his arm.

Kocur decided to throw some lefts. He missed a punch and landed a couple of solid left hooks. He missed a few blows. Ray was holding. Joey threw rights again. He landed a solid blow, a pretty good shot, and a couple of solid connects. He missed a punch, landed an average connect, and missed a shot. Ray clinched until the refs stepped in.

I rate this as a clear win for Kocur. Joey landed a number of effective blows. I think Ray did manage to land one solid shot. Kocur had a cut on his left cheek in the aftermath of the fight. I think the cut was caused by a solid blow early in the contest. Ray was also cut over his right eye. Joey put the hurt on Rob and won the fight handily.
 SarcasticPillow
20582 fight reviews
146 fight logs

Aug 20, 2016 11:54 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
Rob Ray wants a fight with Joey Kocur and gets him to drop the gloves after a faceoff where the two are lined up next to each other. Ray and Kocur grab on in tight and Ray lands three rights to the back of the head. Kocur lands three rights of his own to the back of the head, knocking Ray's helmet askew and then off. Ray lands a right and after Kocur misses a right, he switches hands, landing a left before connecting on another left while Ray misses a right. Kocur gets some space from Ray and throws four lefts, landing one to the back of the head as Ray just tries to get back in tight. Ray succeeds but once Ray's back in tight, Kocur switches hands and lands a right to the side of the head. Ray misses a right and then knocks Kocur's helmet off but Kocur throws three rights, landing one to the body and one to the side of the head. Ray lands two rights to the back of the head and Kocur throws three rights, landing one to the side of the head before they pause. Ray wrestles Kocur into the boards and the linesmen get between them to stop the fight there. Decision goes clearly to Kocur in this tilt. Ray hung in there but he was tentative to open up and kept the fight in tight almost the whole time. Ray didn't throw too many and although he landed most of his punches, all just struck the back of the head and helmet of Kocur. Kocur landed plenty there too but also got to the body and landed some to the side of the head as well.
 SlapShot
207 fight reviews

Jul 7, 2006 17:55 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
I don't know what kept Ray upright during this fight because Kocur landed probably a half a dozen clean rights on him that clearly had him staggered but not out. He does manage to hold on long enough to get Kocur pinned against the glass & allow zebra interference. As the fight was going along I was certain that I'd be figuring out KO or TKO, but to Ray's credit he didn't eat the ice in this one. Great chin, bad overall result for Ray in a clear Kocur victory.
 EddieShore
911 fight reviews

Oct 18, 2006 16:27 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
They wrestle a bit for the first few seconds. Kocur throws three rights to the back of the head of Ray. You can see that he hit hards as Ray's helmet comes off. Ray goes with a right to the back of the head. Kocur tries another blow but is blocked by Ray. Kocur then switches to his left, nailing Ray with two nice ones. Ray is holding on at this moment, one or more of the punches stunned him. Kocur throws some hard rights, one of them a beautiful uppercut. Ray taps Kocur gently to the back of the head with a couple of effortless rights. Kocur tries punching some more but Ray blocks him and pushes him backwards towards the plexi where the zebras come in. Throughout the fight one can almost feel the power of Kocur's blows. Ray shows good spirit and chin here by not going down.
 lilburtis9363
1033 fight reviews

Jul 2, 2007 14:23 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
In the Buffalo zone they drop the gloves and both hold on right away. Ray gets in a good right off the bat knocking Kocur's helmet back. Kocur then throws two back knocking off Ray's helmet. Ray throws a short right to the side of Kocur's head. Kocur attempts a right, but Ray ties up his right. Kocur then tries a left which lands on the side of Ray's head. Kocur tries another left, but Ray blocks it with his right hand. Kocur then gets in a couple good lefts, and a body blow. He tries another left that Ray again blocks with his right. So he switches back to the right and gets in two good rights, and his helmet flies off. He gets in another right as Ray tries to get closer. They tie up and drift over to the boards, and the linesman break them up.
 CDD
4420 fight reviews
4 fight logs

May 23, 2008 01:36 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
They drop the gloves and get in tight to wrestle around. Kocur throws a few rights to the back of Ray's head mainly to knock off Ray's helmet and it works. Kocur trys a right but Ray won't let it land and Kocur switches to lefts and they both trade punches with Kocur's landing solid making Ray duck his head away and stop throwing while Kocur continues on with a few more lefts. After Kocur misses a few lefts due to Ray ducking and dodgeing Kocur switches back to the rights and lands a big uppercut to the body followed by 2 quick ones that miss Ray's shoulder. Ray can't get anything going so he throws a couple weak noogies and Kocur comes in with another big uppercut to the body that clearly Ray felt and Kocur quickly follows with a good right. They both throw and come up short on a few weak punches and then Ray ties Kocur up and wrestles him up against the boards and they start to seperate as the refs come in.

Ray really couldn't get anything going trying not to take a big punch by what was still one of(if not) the most feared punchers in the NHL. Really showed the intimidation that Kocur put in other teams and fighters.
Anthony19
2974 fight reviews

May 22, 2005 13:40 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
drwdan19
1249 fight reviews

Apr 28, 2006 18:57 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
All Kocur. Ray didn't really do anything.
Hogie2
908 fight reviews

Jul 30, 2006 17:28 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
mullet
19793 fight reviews

Dec 19, 2006 08:30 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
Kocur beats Ray easily. Somehow Kocur got cut pretty well.
re
9282 fight reviews

Jan 2, 2007 12:42 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
mackblom
2909 fight reviews

Mar 6, 2007 13:36 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
pikkari1977
1843 fight reviews

Jul 26, 2011 03:11 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
DerDiggler
1549 fight reviews

Oct 15, 2013 19:59 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
sonof3m
66 fight reviews
71 fight logs

Jul 21, 2014 19:30 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
8
One of Kocur's last great fights as a Wing.
crosbyXXX
3975 fight reviews

Sep 20, 2014 06:20 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
SteveTheBossBosse29
3215 fight reviews

Jan 7, 2016 05:14 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
6
47tooter
102 fight reviews

Jul 25, 2016 16:41 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
8
A young Ray , taking a beating in this one ! Kocur too strong and too experienced and takes Rob to school , landing many trademark sledge hammer blows and rattles Ray.
TheDanLine
10960 fight reviews

Aug 27, 2016 18:26 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
FrAn6
3587 fight reviews

Oct 13, 2017 22:24 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
itsJ.Millertime
11942 fight reviews

Apr 4 23:28 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
Great showing by Kocur here as he dominated this fight, after a bit of a slow start with Kocur landing a couple moderate rights he switched to lefty and landed some hard shots, Ray tied up his left so he went back to the right and landed several more hard shots, Ray did virtually nothing only landing a couple noogies, dominating clear win for Kocur.
supersonic
6209 fight reviews

Apr 17 09:47 ET
Joey Kocur clear win Fun 
7
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Jocke
Jan 4, 2006 22:42 ET
Kocur missed part of the 1990-91 season with a right hand injury, suffered in this fight with Rob Ray.Reply
chrisY2J
Apr 16, 2006 12:54 ET
Hey Jocke. Are you sure about this? I've never heard that before (that Joey hurt his hand against Ray). And Kocur fought again about three weeks later against McGill.Reply
Jocke
Apr 16, 2006 13:19 ET
That is all from a season review of Joey's 90-91 campaign:
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Missed part of 1990-91 season with right hand injury, suffered in fight with Rob Ray during Detroit's Dec. 1, 1990, game at Buffalo. ... Played on line with Jan Erixon and Bernie Nicholls for N.Y. Rangers in 1990-91. ... Missed part of 1990-91 season with pulled chest muscle, an injury suffered when he was checked by Randy Velischek during N.Y. Rangers' March 7, 1991, game at Quebec. It was his first game in a Rangers uniform. ... Had off-season surgery on right middle knuckle on May 10, 1991
They must have mistakenly written Dec 1 instead of Dec 2, since there wasn't a Red Wing Sabre game on Dec 1. Detroit played Chicago on Dec 1.
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chrisY2J
Apr 17, 2006 19:22 ET
Cool, Jocke. Thanks for that writeup.
I wonder which punch was the one that hurt Joey's hand? He certainly landed a lot of rights on Ray in that one. In the middle of the fight, Joey switched to his left for a little bit. Maybe he hurt his hand at that point.
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Anthony19
Jul 2, 2007 15:57 ET
Damn thats one of my early shitty clips.Reply
chrisY2J
May 23, 2008 00:26 ET
CDD: by your description, it sounds like you reviewed their 91-92 fight, when Joey was a Ranger. This is their first fight, when Joey was still with the Wings.Reply
CDD
May 23, 2008 01:25 ET
Quote from message by chrisY2J
CDD: by your description, it sounds like you reviewed their 91-92 fight, when Joey was a Ranger. This is their first fight, when Joey was still with the Wings.
thanks
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pluguglies
May 23, 2008 07:55 ET
Shouldda shed the sweater,Ray-Ray.Maybe you wouldda won then.Reply
chrisY2J
Mar 9, 2009 21:33 ET
Quote from message by pluguglies
Shouldda shed the sweater,Ray-Ray.Maybe you wouldda won then.
Doubtful.
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pluguglies
Mar 10, 2009 09:41 ET
Oh ,yeah. He was UNBEATABLE without the sweater.Reply
chrisY2J
Mar 10, 2009 21:00 ET
Quote from message by pluguglies
Oh ,yeah. He was UNBEATABLE without the sweater.
Nah. Even with the sweater-losing, Ray was awful in his first three seasons. This 90-91 battle against Kocur? It wouldn't have mattered if Ray was stripped down or wearing a tux, he was gonna get beat on.
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pluguglies
Mar 10, 2009 21:04 ET
That was sarcasm.Reply
chrisY2J
Mar 10, 2009 21:36 ET
Quote from message by pluguglies
That was sarcasm.
Good.
Because some people actually believe that: that Ray was unbeatable without the sweater.
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FrAn6
Oct 17, 2013 18:14 ET
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BattleshipRules
Oct 17, 2013 18:29 ET
Thanks for posting the fight. I hadn't seen this one before.Reply
FrAn6
Oct 17, 2013 18:31 ET
You're welcomeReply
bzane
Oct 17, 2013 19:01 ET
"....wearing a tux...."- Hilarious! Hadn't noticed this before. Maybe he could have been a model for Mongoloid Menswear, Fashions For Cretins.

I don't think that full battle dress would have helped the Early-Inept Ray against Kocur, here.
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brawler29
Aug 11, 2016 04:45 ET
Better quality

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TheDanLine
Aug 27, 2016 13:40 ET
Pause the newest clip at the :57 mark of the video....holy fuck.Reply
chrisY2J
Aug 27, 2016 21:37 ET
BRAWLER29: thanks for posting this excellent clip. I have never seen this fight with such great quality, and I never saw the replay before. The 57 second mark TheDanLine is referring to was something I never saw before, either. I never saw Kocur's hand look that bad. I remember after he beat on Luke Richardson, his hand looked messed up, but this looked even worse.Reply
chrisY2J
Aug 28, 2016 10:17 ET
Quote from message by bzane
"....wearing a tux...."- Hilarious! Hadn't noticed this before. Maybe he could have been a model for Mongoloid Menswear, Fashions For Cretins.

I don't think that full battle dress would have helped the Early-Inept Ray against Kocur, here.
Ray needed a suit of armor for this fight against Kocur. Ray was lucky he had a hard head and ability to take punishment, or he'd have been out of the league really quick.
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EC
Aug 28, 2016 19:43 ET
Quote from message by chrisY2J
Ray needed a suit of armor for this fight against Kocur. Ray was lucky he had a hard head and ability to take punishment, or he'd have been out of the league really quick.
Most fighters would have needed a hard head or a suit of armor against Kocur at this stage in his career. From 1988-1993 Joey was practically unstoppable and was one of the top guns in the league. He certainly put a lot of hurt on many fighters. It didn't help that Ray was a mediocre fighter at this early point in his career. As you mentioned though, Ray was a strong guy who could really take a punch. That definitely help him when he took his lumps in his first few seasons.
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TheDanLine
Apr 29 12:16 ET
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