Nov 6, 1985
Edmonton - Los Angeles4-4 OT

Summary Of Events
1  13:32  Refused to Fight  McClelland-Tuer
2  15:01  Rough  Smith-Nicholls
3  20:00  Fight  McClelland-Tuer
4  30:35  Mini-Brawl    
5  30:35  Fight  Gretzky-Taylor
6  53:26  Line Brawl    
7  53:26  Fight  Lowe-Kennedy
8  53:26  Fight  Fogolin-Taylor
9  53:26  Fight  Lumley-Sykes
10  53:26  Fight  Lowe-Sykes

Refused to Fight at 13:32
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 Kevin McClelland  (Refused) 6'1'' 1205lb 10N/A
 Al Tuer  (Aggressor) 6'0'' 1195lb 10
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Cherokee
May 13, 2013 05:57 ET
The boxscore says that McClelland and Tuer got majors and misconducts at 13:32. But they didn't fight at this time, Tuer just drop the gloves and challenge McClelland who wants no part of Tuer. Both men got penalties, I think they got misconducts only.

This should be changed to refused to fight. Luciano's review should be pulled.
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no.7
May 13, 2013 14:15 ET
Thanks for the info.Reply
racersno5clackson
Sep 19, 2016 00:05 ET
They were both assessed 10-minute misconducts.Reply


Rough at 15:01
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 Steve Smith 6'4'' 4215lb 30N/A
 Bernie Nicholls 6'0'' 4185lb 30


Fight at 20:00
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Duration N/AThrownLanded   Big   
 Kevin McClelland 6'1'' 1205lb 10N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Al Tuer 6'0'' 1195lb 10N/AN/AN/A
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racersno5clackson
Sep 19, 2016 00:13 ET
As the period ended, these two stepped out of their respective penalty boxes after having been assessed misconduct penalties earlier in the period and they immediately went at it. I saw a short clip of this fight and Kevin McClelland seemed to have the initiative and he connected with a couple of lefts that hit Al Tuer square in the face, at which point Tuer put an arm around McClelland's neck and tried to wrestle him down to the ice. And that's where the clip ended.Reply


Mini-Brawl at 30:35
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Duration N/A  Wayne Gretzky  Charlie Huddy  Mike Krushelnyski  Mark Messier  Steve Smith     Marcel Dionne  Brian Engblom  Brian MacLellan  Dave Taylor   
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Fight at 30:35
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 Wayne Gretzky 6'0''  185lb 10N/AN/AN/ANone
 Dave Taylor 6'0''  195lb 10N/AN/AN/A
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 BattleshipRules
13337 fight reviews

Jul 15, 2012 23:29 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
Wayne Gretzky was the best hockey player in the world in the mid 1980's. He was in his prime with the juggernaut Edmonton teams. He was the biggest deal in the NHL. Few professional athletes have dominated an entire decade the way that "The Great One" dominated the 1980's.

There have always been plenty of Gretzky haters out there. His style was strictly finesse. Many critics felt that the game was too offensive minded in the 1980's. People longed for the days when superstar players could fight as well as play the game. Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, Gordie Howe, Bobby Hull, and Bobby Orr all had the dimension of toughness in their respective games.

Gretzky was a non-fighter who could not fight his way out of a paper bag. He got hammered in his fight with the miniscule Neal Broten. Gretzky was not a physical player in any capacity. However, he had human emotions like any other player. Sometimes he got heated and was looking for a pound of flesh.

Wayne decided to tangle with Dave Taylor. Taylor was an excellent hockey player who excelled on the "Triple Crown Line" with Charlie Simmer and the brilliant centerman Marcel Dionne. Taylor was a good checker and liked to fight. He was below-average as a fighter, but he knew how to throw punches with good leverage.

During a stoppage in play, Gretzky shoved his stick in Taylor's face. This was an uncharacteristically dirty move on Wayne's part. Dave had little patience for such nonsense. He cold-cocked Wayne with a brutal right hand. Gretzky had already moved his head away thinking the altercation has over. Taylor threw a punch with devastating force. Gretzky went down like he was shot. He was hurt badly and was on the ice face-down for a long time.

This was a devastating KO win for Taylor. It was also a gutless move. Dave overreacted to the mild stickwork of Gretzky. He could have dropped the gloves and given Wayne a chance to put up his dukes. Instead, Taylor waited for Wayne to let down his guard before he clocked an unsuspecting opponent. This was definitely a cheap shot and about as unfair as it gets. I rated this as a 10 for excitement because it doesn't get more dramatic than seeing the best player in a sport down with an injury. Fortunately, he was able to come back in the game and score a big goal.

Gretzky has been a real ambassador for the game of hockey. He is adored by countless fans. His wedding to actress Janet Jones and the trade sending him to the Los Angeles Kings were front page news for months during his heyday. By contrast, many hardcore hockey fans hated his guts. They did not like hockey turning into a media circus. They relished the old fashioned style of two-way hockey where toughness was an intregal part of success.

I have an interesting take on Gretzky. I consider myself a fan, although part of me wishes he could fight just a little. There are women in my family who could probably beat him in a fight. My father despised Gretzky. He was a big Phil Esposito fan and hated to see Espo's scoring records being broken. My dad was as big of a Bobby Orr fan as ever walked the earth. He didn't like the fact that many people believed that Gretzky was better than Orr.

I always tried to defend Gretzky when I talked hockey with my dad. We definitely don't see eye to eye on him. I pointed out that Wayne was the best playmaker I have ever seen. His assist totals were phenomenal achievements that will likely never be matched. Gretzky was probably the best offensive player in the history of the game. He did not have the physical tools of guys like Mario Lemieux or Eric Lindros. He was not big or strong. He was a good skater, but there were faster guys around.

Wayne possessed the best peripheral vision of any hockey player. He had an unmatched hand-eye coordination. He had the mind of a chess player. He anticipated what was going to happen several steps before other players. I once saw him deliberately shoot the puck off a post as a pass to a teammate. Gretzky was a hockey genius. He relied on his smarts to achieve greatness. There were plenty of guys who had more physical tools.

I saw an illuminating special on Gretzky once. It was revealed that he had an unique grip on a stick that he developed by playing lacrosse. This helped him to have better puck control than his opponents. Part of the reason Gretzky was great was that he was an innovator. This guy was like Miles Davis on ice skates. Miles was at the forefront of several new styles of jazz. His innovation was his greatest strength. Gretzky was similar in his ability to think outside the box.
 bluecowboy
35 fight reviews

Nov 27, 2005 06:38 ET
Outcome: N/A
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
8
A group of players came together after a whistle was blown. Gretzky for some reason decides give Dave Taylor a light cross-check uphigh and in front. Taylor got mad and according to the announcer, "thought he was Ken Norton" (heavyweight boxing champ), and decked Gretzky with a haymaker of a right hand.
 lecavalier-averyfan
29 fight reviews

Jun 2, 2007 15:04 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
Gretzky cross checks dave taylor and taylor just turns around punches gretzky's lights out with a right. Gretzky lies face down while the brawl continues. I give this a 10 because deep down who didn't want to see gretzky get his ass kicked at one time during his career.
no.7
1291 fight reviews
26 fight logs

Nov 28, 2005 12:11 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
8
Taylor dropped Gretzky with a right hand. Gretzky stayed face down on the ice as a line brawl erupted around him.

This could have been a suckerpunch. To be safe, I called it Unfair because Gretzky definitely never intended to fight back.
Brawls26
525 fight reviews

Mar 1, 2006 09:58 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
N/A
This has got to be the hardest punch Wayne ever recieved in his career. The wimp went down and stayed there, cheap KO.
re
9277 fight reviews

Mar 2, 2006 13:27 ET
Outcome: N/A
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
1 punch KO.
Gretzky called "the great one" well their obvisloy not talking about his fighting.
Turner17
976 fight reviews

Apr 6, 2006 13:59 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
9
Haha..wont forget this 1...he got knocked the f@#k out
Anthony19
2976 fight reviews

Aug 5, 2006 16:54 ET
Dave Taylor win by TKO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
This wasn't cheap this was deserved. Im not even sure the punch landed clean. The pansy stayed on the ice so he couldn't get anymore fired his way.
KolMartin229
296 fight reviews

Aug 24, 2006 15:04 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
pindude61
118 fight reviews

Oct 29, 2006 08:11 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
8
Ha Ha. Funny. Wayne needs to stay out of things like this.
Vasara
249 fight reviews

Nov 4, 2006 03:37 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
8
Taylor knocks Gretzky down with one punch
HaelWho
105 fight reviews

Mar 18, 2007 19:31 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
There's a scrum between the two teams and Gretzky pisses off Taylor (apparently he slashed him), so Taylor throws a gloved punch that sends Gretzky sprawling on the ice.
Owned33
434 fight reviews
1 fight log

Mar 31, 2007 22:01 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
10 because it was Gretzky that got knocked out
VipersLad
640 fight reviews

Nov 25, 2008 15:33 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
1
There's a scrum centre ice. Gretzky has words with Taylor, and Taylor threw a glove fist that dropped Gretzky. Gretzky didn't return to his feet till at least 2 minutes after it happened.
sambusque
2643 fight reviews

Jan 6, 2014 21:39 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
Un seul solide coupe sur le meilleur joueur de tout les temps et ce dernier s'écroule. KO !
uppercut24
638 fight reviews

Jan 6, 2014 22:40 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
8
Softest KO ever, Gretzky wasn't hurt he was just a baby. Hate giving this a KO but No.7 seems to pull half of my solid reviews so I'll go with the majority.
itsJ.Millertime
12702 fight reviews

Nov 9, 2015 00:24 ET
Dave Taylor win by KO
Fight called Unfair by no.7 on Nov 28, 2005
Reason: Wayne Gretzky never intended to fight back
 Fun 
10
Hated Gretzky, saw this on Warner Wolf and loved it!
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no.7
Nov 28, 2005 12:13 ET
Steve Smith got 5+game in this event. If you know what it was for, please post.Reply
canucks
Jun 12, 2006 12:14 ET
I think he got the game for being the third man in.Reply
HaelWho
Mar 18, 2007 19:26 ET
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HaelWho
Mar 18, 2007 19:26 ET
Smith must've been the guy who came from across the ice to fight someone. My guess at least.Reply
Matteo
Jun 2, 2007 15:17 ET
Anthony 19, if it was Yzerman who receive this kind of shot, is he deserved it ?Reply
Matteo
Jun 2, 2007 15:19 ET
Oh sorry, I saw he cross-check by Gretzky on Taylor... he deserved it :).Reply
lewiss13
Dec 11, 2008 20:44 ET
its good to see gretsky on the ice. he cant take a shot gretsky should have got a diving penaltyReply
brawler29
Mar 30, 2016 13:48 ET
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SarcasticPillow
Apr 3, 2016 09:54 ET
I don't know if this has been brought up before but this clearly looks like a cheapshot rather than a fight. No gloves dropped, punch was thrown through a crowd of players, and I don't see how the argument that Dave Taylor's intent was to fight could be stronger than the argument that his intent was to hurt Wayne Gretzky.Reply
no.7
Apr 6, 2016 17:35 ET
Quote from message by SarcasticPillow
his intent was to hurt Wayne Gretzky.
Players fight to hurt the opponent. They throw cheap shots in order to injure.
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SarcasticPillow
Apr 6, 2016 18:05 ET
Quote from message by no.7
Players fight to hurt the opponent. They throw cheap shots in order to injure.
If that is the distinction then I'd say his intent was to injure.

To me, it looks like a pretty clear opportunistic cheapshot. The clip doesn't show enough of the beginning to be certain but it doesn't look like Wayne Gretzky is expecting a fight and to be frank, I don't think Dave Taylor wanted to fight either. I don't think throwing a gloved punch at someone who isn't expecting it is intent to fight, that's intent to hurt or injure someone.

The closest similar situation is probably Donald Brashear flooring Brendan Witt in 2007. Obviously the clip shows the two of them going at it until Brashear knocks Witt down and out with a gloved punch. We don't know whether Gretzky was as aggressive in getting involved but if he wasn't, that'd probably add to the argument that this wasn't a cheapshot.

But I think we just disagree on things on a fundamental level. I always have doubts about intent to fight if gloves aren't dropped but I believe I remember that you don't necessarily agree with that.
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no.7
Apr 7, 2016 09:48 ET
Quote from message by SarcasticPillow
I don't think throwing a gloved punch at someone who isn't expecting it is intent to fight, that's intent to hurt or injure someone.
Injuring someone with a gloved punch isn't easy. There are more effective ways - using the stick, kicking, eye-gauging, biting etc.
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Line Brawl at 53:26
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Duration N/A  Lee Fogolin  Kevin Lowe  Craig MacTavish     Dean Kennedy  Phil Sykes  Dave Taylor   
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 Kevin Lowe 6'2''  200lb 8N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Dean Kennedy 6'2''  208lb 8N/AN/AN/A
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SRC
Dec 25, 2009 20:42 ET
No. 7,

This fight may need to be re-examined. After the Taylor punch on Gretzky, the Kings were hot after Dave Taylor. A melee took place where MacTavish took hold of Taylor while Dave Lumley tried to get his licks in. The ensuing scrum saw Kennedy wrestle to the ice with MacTavish. Lowe fought Sykes. Don`t think Kennedy actually came to blows with Lowe.
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brawler29
Mar 30, 2016 13:51 ET
Kennedy was tangled up with MacTavish, check the videoReply


Fight at 53:26
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Duration N/AThrownLanded   Big   
 Lee Fogolin 6'0''  200lb 5N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Dave Taylor 6'0''  195lb 5N/AN/AN/A
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Mar 30, 2016 18:12 ET
Lee Fogolin decisive win
Fight called Unfair by BattleshipRules on Mar 30, 2016
Reason: Too much interference by the refs
 Fun 
4
The Oilers were not happy at all at Taylor's attack on Gretzky earlier in the game. Retribution was forthcoming. It appeared that someone jumped Taylor to start the line brawl, but it was unclear exactly what happened after watching the footage. What was clear was that Fogolin landed some effective shots on Taylor at about the 4:00 mark of the posted clip.

An official had a hold of Taylor. Lee missed two shots and landed an average blow. He landed a couple of solid rights. Dave tried to duck out of the way. The official tried to pull Taylor away from Fogolin. Lee landed a couple more average blows before Dave got to safety.

I rate this as a decisive win for Fogolin. The fight should be regarded as unfair because an official had hold of Taylor throughout the contest.
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brawler29
Mar 30, 2016 13:48 ET
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Fight at 53:26
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Duration N/AThrownLanded   Big   
 Dave Lumley 5'11'' 1185lb 5N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Phil Sykes 5'10'' 1180lb 5N/AN/AN/A
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 Kevin Lowe 6'2'' 4200lb 20N/AN/AN/AN/A
 Phil Sykes 5'10'' 4180lb 20N/AN/AN/A
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