Nov 7, 2010
Edmonton - Chicago2-1

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1  10:03  Hit  Vandermeer-Toews
2  17:59  Hit  Brule-Hjalmarsson
3  34:50  Fight  Stortini-Scott
4  41:20  Hit  Vandermeer-Kopecky
5  47:57  Collision    

Hit at 10:03
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 Jim Vandermeer  (Aggressor) 6'1'' 1214lb 11N/A
 Jonathan Toews  (Victim) 6'2'' 1203lb 11
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Samuelsson
Nov 13, 2014 09:34 ET
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 Gilbert Brule  (Aggressor) 5'11'' 4187lb 7N/A
 Niklas Hjalmarsson  (Victim) 6'3'' 4194lb 7
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Nov 13, 2014 09:38 ET
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Fight at 34:50
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 Zack Stortini 6'4'' 4232lb 38800None
 John Scott 6'8'' 4270lb 381671
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 SarcasticPillow
19579 fight reviews
137 fight logs

Nov 8, 2010 13:00 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
6
John Scott pokes the puck out of the zone as he sees Zack Stortini coming in to put a hit on Scott. Scott drops his gloves just as impact is made by Stortini who soon drops his gloves too. They grab with the left and Scott throws five rights, landing two. Stortini misses a right as Scott almost loses his grip. They start trading rights then, Scott throwing fast rights at first but then down while Stortini throws long and slow. Of five rights Scott throws, two connect and one takes off Stortini's helmet while Stortini meanwhile misses all four rights he throws. Then Scott jerseys Stortini and lands a right just before Stortini tries to counter with a right that misses. Scott throws two rights and lands one just as Stortini gets in close while connecting with a right. Scott stands back from Stortini and lands a right though, then Stortini misses a right. The linesmen move in then as Scott throws two rights and lands one. Stortini misses a right after the linesmen are in and that ends the fight. Win Scott for connecting on more punches. Stortini had trouble with the bigger Scott and couldn't get in range enough to keep the fight close. Alright battle.
 EC
4060 fight reviews
1 fight log

Aug 29, 2016 14:55 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
6
Mammoth heavyweight John Scott pokes the puck along the boards. However fellow tough guy Zack Stortini comes in to hit Scott. The hit is going to be up high as Stortini raises his shoulder up a bit more than he should have. Scott sees Stortini coming and decides it's time to fight. Scott drops his gloves as Stortini throws the check. The big man grabs the Oiler but allows him to get his gloves off before he starts punching.

Scott tags Stortini with two right hands, and misses with two more blows. Scott bangs one off Stortini's helmet and Stortini tries to rally. The two men start trading punches. Stortini connects with one or two but misses with most of his swings. Scott for his part is more accurate and he knocks Stortini's helmet off with a punch. Scott connects with a right and then tags Stortini with an uppercut as the jersey gets pulled over the Oiler's head. Scott lands a right, plus an uppercut. Stortini misses with a punch and gets hit two more times before the linesmen rush in.

Stortini posed no challenge for the bigger and tougher John Scott. Scott was more accurate with his punches and as a result he outpointed Stortini by a wide margin. Additionally Stortini was in trouble as he was jerseyed and absorbing punches. The officials had to protect him, making this a decisive win for big John.
 BattleshipRules
12650 fight reviews

Oct 7, 2016 18:24 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
6
This was an impressive win for Scott. Stortini missed a blow and landed a partial connect. He missed two punches. John missed two blows and landed a couple of solid rights. Zack missed a few punches. Scott landed a solid blow and missed a punch. He landed two solid shots and missed a blow. He landed a solid shot. The refs stopped the fight.

I rate this as a decisive win for Scott. It looked like Stortini was stuck in his jersey and was taking some effective shots. I think he was in a bad spot at the end.
brawler123
22 fight reviews

Nov 7, 2010 17:24 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
7
Scott and Stortini square off and each throw some heavy rights. Towards the end of the scrap Scott throws some heavy rights and Stortini doesn't get land anything. At the end of the fight Scott gets some shots in while Stortini's jersey is pulled over his head, one being a heavy uppercut. Clear win for Scott.
flyersfan91
197 fight reviews

Nov 7, 2010 17:29 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
5
Scott with the bombs, Stortini lands nothing. Big uppercuts at the end. Good fight.
KOKing
101 fight reviews

Nov 7, 2010 18:55 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
6
all scott in this one as the refs come in to bail stortini out when the jersey is over his head.
handsofstone
152 fight reviews

Nov 7, 2010 20:23 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
N/A
Scott with some major uppercuts
Barch007
682 fight reviews

Nov 8, 2010 01:34 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
5
re
9287 fight reviews

Nov 8, 2010 04:56 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
6
They grab on and both fighters begin to throw punches back and forth. Scott is clearly getting the best of the exchange knocking off Stortini's helmet and landing a bunch of solid shots. Stortini is also landing a couple shots but then Scott gets the jersey over his head. Scott landed a bunch of big shots on Stortini who continued to throw though he couldn't see and the linesmen came in to stop more damage being done.
FyteFAN
52 fight reviews

Nov 8, 2010 07:00 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
7
Scott and Stortini come together in the Chicago zone. they start in tight after a fight and stortini is throwing but doesnt appear to land anything while scott the bigger man unloads! once the jersey is up over stortini's head he lands an under over followed but another under and the refs have no choice but to come in for the aid of stortini
decisive win Scott
Sabbath
516 fight reviews

Nov 8, 2010 11:15 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
7
toughguy420
525 fight reviews

Nov 8, 2010 16:12 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
5
Scott pounded Hugtini in this one. Have to say I cant believe Hugtini has thrown as many punches this year as he has. Scott is bigger and tougher and it showed in this one. Not sure Hugtini landed anything.
TheDanLine
10320 fight reviews

Nov 9, 2010 08:09 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
6
Stortini was in over his head here as he attempted to go punch-for-punch with a guy who's 4 inches taller and 30+ pounds heavier. Epic fail. Scott hammered away on Stortini and eventually got his jersey over his head and continued to pound away. The linesmen had to save Stortini from being killed. Decisive win for Scott.
mullet
19571 fight reviews

Nov 9, 2010 12:30 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
5
Easy win Scott. Stortini was throwing some as well but not sure if he landed anything, Scott got in a bunch and linesmen jumped in when Stortini had jersey over his head.
younggun14
89 fight reviews

Dec 5, 2010 12:52 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
5
zonkedforlife
878 fight reviews

Sep 30, 2014 22:17 ET
John Scott clear win Fun 
6
scottygiroux
777 fight reviews

Dec 6 15:27 ET
John Scott decisive win Fun 
7
Scott and Stortini exchange a few right hands before Scott lands a couple of solid rights. Scott is then able to get Stortini's jersey over his head and lands a couple more, putting stortini into real trouble. The linesmen jump in to bail out Stortini
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Ajhl
Nov 7, 2010 17:50 ET
I want to see scott and macintyre go next time they play.Reply
toughguy420
Nov 7, 2010 18:23 ET
Quote from message by Ajhl
I want to see scott and macintyre go next time they play.
Should be a good one but I think Big Mac will take it. He is a beast and may be the toughest guy in the league.
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SarcasticPillow
Nov 7, 2010 18:54 ET
The fight.

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boogeyman666
Nov 7, 2010 19:40 ET
i love how as stortini is coming in for the hit scott already has his gloves coming off ...hahahReply
staal4pm
Nov 8, 2010 17:59 ET
Pretty courageous move by Scott to throw punches at a guy he has 4 inches and 35 pounds on while his jersey is over his head.Reply
whlfan
Nov 10, 2010 00:59 ET
Since you've obviously just started watching hockey, pulling the other guy's jersey over his head is Hockey Fighting 101. It's called "jerseying" your opponent, and it's been around forever, and a timeworn tactic.Reply
staal4pm
Nov 11, 2010 09:59 ET
No shit you jersey guys, but that doesn't mean when you're a spot-picking pussy like the giant John Scott you have to keep pounding a guy that's defenseless. There is such a thing as respect for your opponent and honor among hockey fighters as well. Here are some examples just from the last two weeks of guys holding up when their opponents are in defenseless positions i.e. jersey over their heads or down on the ice:

Tim Jackman vs Brad Staubitz - November 5, 2010
http://dropyourglove...e=326818#Fight306180

Matt Martin vs Zack Smith - November 4, 2010
http://dropyourglove...e=326810#Fight305962

Guillaume Desbiens vs Cody McLeod - November 4, 2010
http://dropyourglove...e=326812#Fight305956

Mark Stuart vs Cody McCormick - November 3, 2010
http://dropyourglove...e=326799#Fight305856

Zenon Konopka vs Jay Harrison - November 3, 2010 - PRIME EXAMPLE
http://dropyourglove...nts.aspx?Game=326801

Kyle Clifford vs Brian Sutherby - October 28, 2010
http://dropyourglove...nts.aspx?Game=326770

And a great example of a guy punching a jerseyed opponent (albeit Jarrko Ruutu) and catching crap for it.
Brooks Laich vs Jarkko Ruutu - December 11, 2006
http://dropyourglove...e=113745#Fight106339

It's not 1975 anymore, it's 2010. The game has modified, for better or worse (I think for worse) but respect and honor are something that should always be in the game. So, please watch these examples, be educated, and kindly shut the fuck up.
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whlfan
Nov 11, 2010 10:33 ET
I thought the entire point of a fight was to hurt your opponent. When exactly did this "respect and honor" thing start? If you ever went into a game and expected Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Ted Lindsay, Eddie Shore, Sprague Cleghorne, John Ferguson or Ted Green to show you "respect and honor", you left the game on a stretcher. Hell, ask anyone who fought Dave Brown about this fair play stuff.

This "respect and honor" stuff everyone talks about is a pile of poop. Until recently, the first thing you learned was KEEP YOUR HEAD UP. You were to always protect yourself at all times. If you didn't, your opponent would clean you out in a second. If you got into a fight, you knew what you were getting in to. Nowadays, players don't think they should have to protect themselves, and instead, rely upon the good will of others. This crap about how players used to respect each other is garbage. They never have. I can give you dozens of examples of players in the sixties and seventies trying to cave each others heads in with their sticks, sucker-punches, and elbows. Yet somehow, everyone will talk about how the players today don't respect each other, not like they "used to". My answer is simple, no, they don't. But they never did in the first place. Yes, I'm sure that when John Ferguson would jump Bobby Hull, he did it with great respect and honor. Or when Ted Green and Wayne Maki tried to decapitate each other, they did it with the utmost respect. And when Bill McCourt killed Charles Masson by clubbing him in the head, was it a honorable act? Was Eddie Shore ending Ace Bailey's career with a blindside hit part of this "code" nonsense everyone seems to babble about?

Yes, there were some clean players, and Lady Byng candidates, but they were a tiny minority.
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staal4pm
Nov 11, 2010 17:06 ET
I agree 100% with everything you've said here. Maki-Green is a great example as is Shore-Bailey. One only has to read the sordid tales of stick fights from the old Eastern and North American leagues to see your point. Bobby Schmautz is another example of the stick men that were rampant in those leagues. The NHL was at its best from about 1981 until 1991: high scoring, fast-paced action with superstars and the culture of the old west still active. Plenty of fights, everyone held accountable.

The days of Ferguson, Green, Shore, Shack, Horton, and all the rest happened. There were the hated stick men. There were deaths as a direct result of on-ice action, of guys playing a game they loved to try to make a living. I guess my question is, was all that better?
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whlfan
Nov 12, 2010 05:48 ET
My point is this talk about playing with honor and respect. It's a pile of crap. Mark Messier would decapitate anyone who tried to play fair. Gordie Howe was known for having what was called "sharp elbows", and used to like to skate by the goalie and give them an elbow to the beak.

People talk about this "code of honor" among fighters. It's bull. If something happens to them like a head-butt, or other cheap-shot, they harp about how their opponent "broke the code". Then a few days later they'll do the exact same thing to someone else. This "code" is something they'll invoke when it suits them, and just as happily ignore when it suits them. I've lost count of the number of guys head-butted by Bob Probert. Rob Ray used to get buck naked and even went so far as to grease himself up so his opponent couldn't grab hold of him. Glen Cochrane was still playing junior when he would cut off the fight straps on his sweater so he could slide out of it and take advantage of his opponent. Kelly Chase was constantly getting thrown out of games for not having his sweater tied down after the Rob Ray rule was introduced. Marty McSorley, Kevin Kaminski, Gino Odjick, Joe Kocur and Probert used to use the sweater thing too. Dave Brown had a spandex sleeve on his throwing arm. He also used to love to pound out a guy who was down and out on the ice. John Kordic and Basil McRae had their tearaway sleeves. Brad May did too. It was Neil Sheehy that introduced the fake glove drop in the 80s. It goes on and on. And they will all talk about how someone else (certainly not them) was "breaking the code".

Hockey's always been a very tough, physical and downright dangerous game. These guys aren't paid to play fair. They're paid to win. They always have been. People tend to put on the rose-colored glasses when they look back. I don't.

Is it better than the old days? It's always been dirty. The Oilers had a highly-skilled, high-scoring team that dominated the league. But they were also the dirtiest team in the league. I think everyone is familiar with Dave Semenko's knees and sucker-punches. Mark Messier would club in the head anyone who came near him. Ask guys like Ric Nattress, Rich Sutter and Mike Modano about Messier's "code". Glenn Anderson was a terrible stick-man. Pat Hughes and Jim Kyte tried to cave each others head in one night. Ken Linseman and Keith Acton would spear you in the nuts and then smirk. Craig Muni put three guys out with deliberate knee hits in one season. Diving? Craig Simpson would fall to the ice and writhe around in agony whenever anyone would skate by him. Messier pulled off one of the funniest, most over-the-top death scenes during the 1988 playoffs when Paul MacLean's stick grazed his shoulder pad and fell to the ice screaming in agony.

Accountability? Bobby Clarke was the dirtiest bastard I've ever seen, and he was never held accountable. In 1987, Brad Hornung ended up in a wheelchair for the rest of his life because he got run from behind into the boards in the dirtiest hit I've ever seen. And Troy Edwards, the guy who put him there never even got a penalty on the play. There were so many mental cases playing junior hockey in the 80s and into the 90s it would make some people now have a nervous breakdown. Guys like Bryan Wells, Marc LaForge and Mel Angelstad were getting lifetime bans from their leagues. Does the name Andy Ristau ring a bell? Look it up to see how his career was pretty much ended in 1987. In 1984, Messier clubbed Canucks' Thomas Gradin in the head just like McSorley on Brashear. The NHL revoked his suspension so he could go to the All-Star game!
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DerDiggler
Jan 1, 2012 10:36 ET
Quote from message by staal4pm
Pretty courageous move by Scott to throw punches at a guy he has 4 inches and 35 pounds on while his jersey is over his head.
If you don't want to get jerseyed and worked over by someone 4 inches taller, don't try to hit him high. Stortini is to blame for his beating, not Scott.
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Fighting101
Sep 29, 2014 22:31 ET
You picked the wrong guy.Reply
zonkedforlife
Sep 30, 2014 22:17 ET
whoops, thanks for the heads up!Reply


Hit at 41:20
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Nov 7, 2010 21:40 ET
Vandermeer drills Kopecky HARD and knocks a pane of glass flying into the crowd. Fun 
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Nov 7, 2010 21:41 ET
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Collision at 47:57
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Feb 6, 2014 07:14 ET
Two Oilers players collided at the center of ice. Cogliano was injured after this episode. He left the game and didn't return. Fun 
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