Feb 19, 2018
Boston - Calgary2-1 OT

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1  21:01  Hit  McAvoy-Hathaway
2  21:12  Fight  McQuaid-Hathaway

Hit at 21:01
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 Charlie McAvoy  (Victim) 6'0'' 2205lb 5N/A
 Garnet Hathaway  (Aggressor) 6'2'' 2200lb 5
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Samuelsson
16730 fight reviews

Feb 20 09:04 ET
Hathaway levels McAvoy in front of the Bruins bench. Dirty 
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Fight at 21:12
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 Adam McQuaid 6'4'' 2212lb 12310None
 Garnet Hathaway 6'2'' 2200lb 12000
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 SarcasticPillow
20454 fight reviews
146 fight logs

Feb 20 18:02 ET
Draw Fun 
2
Adam McQuaid goes right after Garnet Hathaway for a hit he throws and they drop the gloves after a whistle. Hathaway wraps his arms around McQuaid to stay in close but McQuaid wrestles free, gaining some space from the smaller Hathaway though McQuaid's helmet and visor comes off in the process. McQuaid throws three rights and lands one to the body as Hathaway loses his balance and goes down. The linesmen then come in and break it up. Draw in a really short, really bad, fight.
Killahpunk
2224 fight reviews

Feb 20 18:48 ET
Adam McQuaid narrow win Fun 
3
Cairns
125 fight reviews

Feb 20 23:33 ET
Adam McQuaid narrow win Fun 
3
McQuaid grabs on while Hathaway looses his grip. McQuaid lands two and Hathaway goes down with McQuaid standing over top cocked ready to throw but he shows the code and doesn't throw. No way a draw.
no1steeler
2338 fight reviews

Feb 21 10:13 ET
Adam McQuaid narrow win Fun 
4
supersonic
6002 fight reviews

Feb 22 10:49 ET
Draw Fun 
3
Sheppy
14 fight reviews

Feb 23 18:22 ET
Adam McQuaid narrow win Fun 
3
Seeing how the clear win got removed, I'm going with a narrow win. McQuaid got free and Hathaway didn't like it, McQuaid tosses three right hands, one of which connects sending Hathaway down to the ice.
Brassknux
447 fight reviews

Mar 6 10:32 ET
Adam McQuaid narrow win Fun 
3
Amatthews
235 fight reviews

Mar 31 01:14 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
3
Barely fight here as McQuaid takes control and puts Hathaway down. Pretty obvious McQuaid was too much for Garnet to handle here
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Sheppy
14 fight reviews

Feb 19 17:11 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
3
They both tie up in the Calgary zone, a little grappling and then McQuaid gets free and throws 3 punches and sends Hathaway to the ice.

Not much of a fight, but it's a clear win for McQuaid.
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Rango38
1636 fight reviews

Feb 20 07:05 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
3
Not much of a fight here. After the whistle, they dropped the gloves and started off wrestling in very close. After creating some separation, McQuaid threw a couple of rights that caused Hathaway to drop to the ice. Give Adam the obvious win in this one.
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Scottyboy
708 fight reviews

Feb 20 16:02 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
3
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TheDanLine
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Feb 20 17:58 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
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wotton01
123 fight reviews

Feb 20 18:37 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
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tampa22
2387 fight reviews

Feb 20 18:53 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
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LoKoL
1437 fight reviews

Feb 20 22:55 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
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BostonBruin8
2915 fight reviews

Feb 21 11:24 ET
Adam McQuaid clear win Fun 
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LukeLaC
Feb 20 06:09 ET
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Sheppy
Feb 21 11:56 ET
So, majority of the people who called this a clear win for McQuaid get their posts deleted? Looked like it was a pretty clear win, despite being a short fight.

Weird.
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SarcasticPillow
Feb 21 12:17 ET
Quote from message by Sheppy
So, majority of the people who called this a clear win for McQuaid get their posts deleted? Looked like it was a pretty clear win, despite being a short fight.

Weird.
Looks can be deceiving. Nothing landed of consequence and most of the punches missed, it's pretty plain when watching the replay on slow motion.

Why do you think it was a clear win?
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BattleshipRules
Feb 21 13:58 ET (later updated)
I saw one punch land to the body. To me, a clear win is when a guy lands several punches or puts some hurt on an opponent. Didn't look like either of those things occurred.Reply
Sheppy
Feb 21 15:58 ET
Fair enough. I thought McQuaid landed one over the top and had clear control of the fight which was why i thought it was a clear win for him. Looked like when he got free Hathaway kind of went into retreat mode, however, it was a short fight.

Good to know, though.
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Cairns
Feb 21 22:33 ET
I thought clear win was the appropriate call as well.Reply
Sheppy
Feb 22 11:23 ET
I definitely don't see it as a Draw... That's for sure.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Feb 22 12:17 ET (later updated)
Quote from message by Sheppy
I definitely don't see it as a Draw... That's for sure.
Which is fine but is it a clearly wrong call? I laid out my reasons for it being correct, how do you disagree?

And you can still call it a narrow win if you'd like but a clear win is exaggerating what actually happened to the point of falsity, which is why those calls were pulled.
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BattleshipRules
Feb 22 15:26 ET
Yes, the mods have to make these calls from time to time. They are not always popular, but I think it is necessary for the sake of accuracy on the site. I can see a slim edge based on overall control of the fight, but nothing really effective landed in my opinion, so I think a draw is a valid call as well. A lot of times, one guy makes a call and several people make copycat calls without questioning the validity of the first one. I rarely review current fights, but I would say a clear win indicates effective shots landing. I only saw one or two modest body blows. McQuaid will likely be the winner on the official record, so I don't see it as that big of a deal.Reply
BurkeBruiser2011
Feb 23 04:26 ET
I've watched the fight 4 times now, and still see a clear win for the Bruins guy, McQuaid. I think that calling this a draw is far less accurate than calling this a clear win, and I think most people on this site agree. Maybe if 10 people are disagreeing with you, the problem is with the few and not the many? Just curious as to why you think we are all the ones that cannot see.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Feb 23 08:27 ET
Quote from message by BurkeBruiser2011
I've watched the fight 4 times now, and still see a clear win for the Bruins guy, McQuaid. I think that calling this a draw is far less accurate than calling this a clear win, and I think most people on this site agree. Maybe if 10 people are disagreeing with you, the problem is with the few and not the many? Just curious as to why you think we are all the ones that cannot see.
Did you watch it in slow-motion?

Which punches landed? Where did they land? What kind of impact did they have?

I answered those questions when I made my call and it lines up with what the video shows. If you disagree with that I'd ask that you watch the fight from both angles in slow-motion. If that's too much to ask, than I can't help you.

I've asked for reasons as to why this fight should be a clear win and it basically seems that people simply 'see' a clear win; that it just looks like a clear win. Maybe that suits some but I went a bit deeper than that when I made my call and didn't see any basis for labeling this fight as a clear win. That's the level where I need to be convinced.
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Cairns
Feb 23 09:19 ET
Again before it was deleted. Are we really going to call up The war room in Toronto to look at these in slow motion. The naked eye clearly shows a clear win. Just like your call of draw is clearly wrong. Punches landed while one guy is clearly in control of the fight ending up standing over top o his opponent ready to fire more shots is an obvious clear win. Draw is wrong more then clear win is.Reply
Cairns
Feb 23 09:20 ET
And who says you need to be convinced. Power trip?Reply
SarcasticPillow
Feb 23 09:33 ET
Quote from message by Cairns
And who says you need to be convinced. Power trip?
Whoever gave me the responsibility of pulling clearly wrong reviews. I didn't ask for it.
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SarcasticPillow
Feb 23 09:38 ET
Quote from message by Cairns
Again before it was deleted. Are we really going to call up The war room in Toronto to look at these in slow motion. The naked eye clearly shows a clear win. Just like your call of draw is clearly wrong. Punches landed while one guy is clearly in control of the fight ending up standing over top o his opponent ready to fire more shots is an obvious clear win. Draw is wrong more then clear win is.
I don't think more than one punch landed and it was to the body. Body punches don't equal punches to the head, helmet, or face. I think we can all agree on that's One guy falling doesn't really tip the scale any further in my view, seems like most other fights are judged the same way. Control of the fight helps a little bit but it's not going to make up the difference to go from narrow win to clear win.

Let me ask, how much less would've what had to happen for this to be a narrow win?
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Cairns
Feb 23 10:43 ET
And people ask what ruined fried chickens hockey site. Elitism.Reply
Cairns
Feb 23 10:47 ET
Conflict of interest. You shouldn't be putting in reviews of fights your pulling reviews on. Screems of "if you don't agree with my review". And I don't have to explain to you as I already did. Just like 8 others agreed with me. You seem to be the only draw review. Hmmmmmm? And whose pulling reviews?Reply
BattleshipRules
Feb 23 10:55 ET
SP has done countless good for this site in contrast to some guys who pulled a bunch of events to the detriment of the site.Reply
Cairns
Feb 23 11:14 ET
Didn't say he hasn't. In this case he's clearly wrong like the clear win call.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Feb 23 11:50 ET
Admittedly it can be perceived that way but I could list plenty of examples were I disagreed with other calls and left them standing. It happens all the time actually. A great example is the recent Cody McLeod-Matt Hendricks fight. I called it a draw while nearly everyone called it a TKO but I didn't pull those reviews because I can't find sufficient evidence to say they're clearly wrong.

This isn't about disagreeing with another's opinion, it's about disagreeing with what happened. At the end of the day I don't see anything in the video that proves that Adam McQuaid undoubtedly won the fight. You can argue that he did win but to say it was beyond question is just wrong. Nothing McQuaid did adds up to a clear, definitive, victory. If it did, why even have a narrow win call?

You can certainly say he won if you like, that's totally reasonable and a defensible position, but arguing for a clear win is judging this fight off of looks more than anything else and that seems to be how everyone called it, or they just looked at the fight instead of really watching it with discernment and agreed with the first call. It happens a lot nowadays but I didn't do that and after I watched it and looked at things a little closer I came away thinking that it was really a nothing fight that nobody won.

If there's disagreement over what the video shows that's one thing but I thought it was pretty clear to see what happened and the counter argument seems to be that I'm simply going too far in depth or watching too carefully but that is a very unconvincing argument.
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Sheppy
Feb 23 12:22 ET (later updated)
I'm not losing any sleep over it. I saw McQuaid in control, throw 3 punches... saw McQuaid land a punch and I saw Hathaway go down rather easy when McQuaid got free.

That to me isn't a DRAW, that's all. I can even agree with it not being a clear win, but I absolutely disagree with the draw call. I saw McQuaid get free, throw 3 punches, one of which lands and sends Hathway down to the ice. It's absolutely a win for McQuaid, whether it's a clear or narrow, It's a win for McQuaid. Just don't get the draw call at all.

What did Hathaway do to warrant a draw is just as good of a question to be honest.
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SarcasticPillow
Feb 23 12:33 ET
I don't think Garnet Hathaway needs to earn a draw. The fight starts out on even terms, as a drawn, and calling it a win is dependent on one guy doing enough to tip the scales in his favour. I don't think Adam McQuaid did that so the fight stays as a draw. He did some, but not enough to call it a win, although a narrow win is arguable.Reply
BurkeBruiser2011
Feb 28 08:25 ET
Maybe you just don't like McQuaid? I'm not sure, but I don't have a horse in the race. I'm just curious as to why you are the only one who sees it as a draw, & your review stays up, yet MULTIPLE people feel it's a clear win, and their reviews are deleted. Is this site always like that? I just joined because it seems there is more dialogue here than hockeyfights.comReply
Cairns
Feb 28 08:42 ET
Used to be but lately it's getting like hockey fights.com and even worse the elitism like Fried Chickens fight site. Which is too bad.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Feb 28 11:00 ET
Quote from message by BurkeBruiser2011
Maybe you just don't like McQuaid? I'm not sure, but I don't have a horse in the race. I'm just curious as to why you are the only one who sees it as a draw, & your review stays up, yet MULTIPLE people feel it's a clear win, and their reviews are deleted. Is this site always like that? I just joined because it seems there is more dialogue here than hockeyfights.com
I feel I've explained that multiple times now.

I need to see clear evidence that Adam McQuaid landed more than one punch to the body. I don't think that's going to happen though because the angles show pretty clearly that nothing of consequence landed and only one punch hit anywhere that could be considered a landing punch. If you disagree, fine, but it must be demonstrated on the same level of detail. Instead of people discussing what exactly they saw and why, seems like counter argument is that I watched too closely, analyzed in too much detail, and more people called it differently than me. Those aren't good arguments. If a hundred people called it a KO win all hundred reviews would be pulled because they're clearly wrong.

I'm not an Adam McQuaid fan but I definitely feel if the roles were reversed and Garnet Hathaway did what McQuaid did, there'd be far more people agreeing with me; that it was a draw or narrow win for Hathaway. Not to say that's because of personal or team biases but because they (actually everyone) knows that McQuaid ought to beat Hathaway in the fight because McQuaid is a clearly superior fighter. But that doesn't mean that's what happened although it likely colours people's view of the fight. If I'm being honest, I think that's really what's going on here and it happens a lot. It's not a conscious decision but it's real.
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BurkeBruiser2011
Mar 7 10:22 ET
I would think that there is more unconscious biased against a team like Boston who are perceived as bullies, much like the Flyers of old. Montreal has a loud and loyal fan base, much like the Penguins. I always hear Montreal fans crying about Chara and the Bruins, and Pittsburgh fans crying about just about every Flyer tough guy for the past 30 years. But you're entitled to your opinion. I just disagree. Have a good one.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Mar 7 17:06 ET
Quote from message by BurkeBruiser2011
I would think that there is more unconscious biased against a team like Boston who are perceived as bullies, much like the Flyers of old. Montreal has a loud and loyal fan base, much like the Penguins. I always hear Montreal fans crying about Chara and the Bruins, and Pittsburgh fans crying about just about every Flyer tough guy for the past 30 years. But you're entitled to your opinion. I just disagree. Have a good one.
On this site, tough teams are lauded, not loathed. There are probably as many fans of the Boston Bruins and Philadelphia Flyers as any teams out there. I've been here long enough to know that those two teams are not hurting for getting the benefit of the doubt from fight fans. Sure they have their detractors but I don't think that is what is at play here.

What do you disagree with exactly? Is that what Adam McQuaid did in the fight or that what McQuaid did isn't worthy of a clear win?

I believe I stated my case for both, what's yours?
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BurkeBruiser2011
Mar 12 09:19 ET
I think McQuaid won the fight clearly, but that's irrelevant because it's not my opinion that counts...and apparently it's not a democracy either. Why did McQuaid win clearly? Because at the end of the fight, there was no doubt who won, and only one player landed ANY punches. I think your call of a draw is insane. If you think pulling a clear win is reasonable, and you don't see why a draw is unreasonable, then I can't help you. Again, best of luck. I'll enjoy the site from a distance.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Mar 12 09:42 ET (later updated)
Quote from message by BurkeBruiser2011
I think McQuaid won the fight clearly, but that's irrelevant because it's not my opinion that counts...and apparently it's not a democracy either. Why did McQuaid win clearly? Because at the end of the fight, there was no doubt who won, and only one player landed ANY punches. I think your call of a draw is insane. If you think pulling a clear win is reasonable, and you don't see why a draw is unreasonable, then I can't help you. Again, best of luck. I'll enjoy the site from a distance.
All that adds up to is a narrow win at best.
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BurkeBruiser2011
Mar 12 20:21 ET
Again, that's YOUR opinion, and most people here disagree. I think a drawe is a far more asinine call, and that's MY opinion.Reply
SarcasticPillow
Mar 12 21:35 ET
Quote from message by BurkeBruiser2011
Again, that's YOUR opinion, and most people here disagree. I think a drawe is a far more asinine call, and that's MY opinion.
If that's how you want to look at it, okay, but I still haven't seen an opinion backed up with objective facts to force me change my own.

Adam McQuaid landed one body punch. Landing punches is how fights are called here. One body punch is as minimal as it gets. Therefore a clear win isn't a correct call while a narrow win or a draw is. I don't think any of that is (very) subjective and haven't really seen any good argument against any of those claims yet.

Anyway, I think I've said all I can. I hope you understand and I don't mean any ill towards you or others but this is the way it's going to be unless something new comes up.
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EC
Mar 13 13:04 ET
Anyone calling this a clear win for McQuaid needs to get their eyes checked. At first glance it may have appeared that he did pretty good, but in reality McQuaid only landed one body shot and missed with two other punches. I think a narrow win is a questionable call but I suppose you could argue McQuaid was the only one to land anything (even if it was just a body shot). However, calling this a clear win? No way! Those calls were clearly wrong and deserved to be pulled.Reply

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